Are the protests hurting Biden?

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes. They are not the ones cheering. I didn't criticize them. I criticized you and TSA.

I'm just devastated that Chump criticized me.

Poor no life got that lives 24/7 on Spurstalk

[Trainwreck2100]

While they're trying to make the connection, this is still happening in Trump's America, his argument is "if biden is elected you'll see more of this" But it's happening now and he hasn't done anything to quash it. If Trump is elected who says we won't see more of this.

[FrostKing]

i dont doubt that it hurts biden among white voters tbh

And Hispanics, Asians and Jews

[Spurminator]

If Trump is elected who says we won't see more of this.

100% guarantee we will. I think even Republicans know this. But they secretly like the riots, despite the performative concern.

[CosmicCowboy]

While they're trying to make the connection, this is still happening in Trump's America, his argument is "if biden is elected you'll see more of this" But it's happening now and he hasn't done anything to quash it. If Trump is elected who says we won't see more of this.

if you were President, what would you do to stop it when local politicians don't want federal help and don't allow their own police force to stop it?

[Will Hunting]

Yep. The black vote in Wisconsin was down 19% in 2016 vs. 2012. If they make up even half that gap in 2020, it should be a win for the Dems.

I really think they should have higher turnout than white people if they’re serious about wanting reform. The groups that feel most aggrieved should be the ones most likely to vote, not least likely.

If black voters surprised everyone and had 70%+ turnout in this election I think a lot of politicians would suddenly reprioritize how important police reform and prison reform is. That kind of turnout would send a much stronger message than what any of these protests are sending.

[Spurminator]

if you were President, what would you do to stop it when local politicians don't want federal help and don't allow their own police force to stop it?

That's a good question to ask the people doing Trump's campaign ads suggesting we'll see more of this under Biden.

[Will Hunting]

if you were President, what would you do to stop it when local politicians don't want federal help and don't allow their own police force to stop it?

Begs the question of what exactly re-electing Trump to a 2nd term will do to stop it if there’s nothing he can do about it right now.

[Spurminator]

I really think they should have higher turnout than white people if they’re serious about wanting reform. The groups that feel most aggrieved should be the ones most likely to vote, not least likely.

If black voters surprised everyone and had 70%+ turnout in this election I think a lot of politicians would suddenly reprioritize how important police reform and prison reform is. That kind of turnout would send a much stronger message than what any of these protests are sending.

Oh I agree, I'm just saying the margin is probably small as far as the amount needed to win. But then it's a question of how many new white voters Trump picks up.

[hater]

South Texas, tbh. And we have a fair share of Trump supporters down here. I sure as see a lot more flags/signs than in 2016 tbh

Yup. Im close to an eastern metro area right now and as soon as im out of vicinity, its Trump country

[Trainwreck2100]

if you were President, what would you do to stop it when local politicians don't want federal help and don't allow their own police force to stop it?

So the President in this case has no control over protestors, but when Biden's president, it's his fault? How does the person in the office have an effect on protests when, by your own admission the office itself can't do anything?

[Reck]

Yup. Im close to an eastern metro area right now and as soon as im out of vicinity, its Trump country

Yard signs/flags dont vote.

But are we really talking about seeing lots of Trump flags in Texas? No .

[Will Hunting]

Oh I agree, I'm just saying the margin is probably small as far as the amount needed to win. But then it's a question of how many new white voters Trump picks up.

I think he might swing a few suburban voters who voted for him in 2016 andwere going to turn on him back in his direction, but I don’t see him broadening the vote to people who didn’t vote for him in 2016. That was definitely a possibility pre-COVID, but now that the country is in shambles he’s not building on his base.

One question no ones asked that I’m curious to see play out - did having a convention where black people played such a key role piss off any of his supporters?

[hater]

Yard signs/flags dont vote.

But are we really talking about seeing lots of Trump flags in Texas? No .

No i said eastern US

[Spurtacular]

The way Rand did.

you don't even know what we've been talking about, derp.
and you posted Rand's whining about it.
derp

Don't melt down. What was wrong with the way? Use your words, derp.

[Spurtacular]

They could be off but I don't have my finger on the pulse of the masses to say that with confidence. I can say what I think should be happening but I'm not really sure what narratives the masses are consuming. I do know every corporation in America is pushing BLM and that doesn't bode well in my non poll hunch.

They can push it all they want. Only the idiots give a stuff about the propaganda at this point. The returns are negative from this point.

[RD2191]

Short answer, yes.

But there should be an emphasis by Democrats that the violence this country is seeing now is under the watch of the current administration. While Trump wants to use violence in protests as a voter fear tactic against Biden, Trump also distances his own responsibility of the violence across the country that’s happening now under his watch and shifts blame to state and local leadership. The hypocrisy cannot be emphasized enough.

Some Dems have said it, some political analysts mention it. It’s not coming through enough. The violence we’ve been seeing at protests is under Trump’s watch. He shares responsibility. Republican mayor run cities like Miami, San Diego, Omaha, Jacksonville have had their share of violence at protests. Republicans don’t mention those cities.

That’s a big problem with Dems. If they have a solid talking point, they repeat it 5 times and then give up. When Republicans have a solid talking point, they use it as a blunt instrument in a coordinated and organized fashion by repeating it until your ears are bleeding. Call if what you want but it’s damn effective.

Tbh. Dems need to learn how to fight fire with fire.

[Reck]

One question no ones asked that I’m curious to see play out - did having a convention where black people played such a key role piss off any of his supporters?

I dont think that's going to stick. It was too planned and not at all too subtle.

Trump essentially bought their support by granting a few pardons. Literally all the black speakers not name Tim Scott who were black got a pardon. Including one TODAY.

[CosmicCowboy]

I noticed you all totally dodged my "what would you do" question and went the "but Trump" fail again.

[ChumpDumper]

You not bothered by me:

I'm just devastated that Chump criticized me.

You massively bothered by me:

Poor no life got that lives 24/7 on Spurstalk

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[ChumpDumper]

if you were President, what would you do to stop it when local politicians don't want federal help and don't allow their own police force to stop it?

I wouldn't make the offer a political talking point in the first place.

[Will Hunting]

I noticed you all totally dodged my "what would you do" question and went the "but Trump" fail again.

It seemed like a rhetorical question you weren’t expecting an answer to.

As far as what he can do beyond deploying federal law enforcement - Try to calm tensions rather than inflame them. Acknowledge there’s a policing issue that needs to be addressed and show more empathy. Don’t endorse the label of BLM as a terrorist organization. Don’t send DHS agents in unmarked cars to pick up protesters. Meet with the BLM leaders and just pretend to care a little bit about what they have to say. Condemn the actions of a 17 year old wannabe cop who killed people.

Do you want more examples? It’s not a coincidence these protests never turned into months long rioting before Trump was president.

[ChumpDumper]

Even a "Please go home after dark" to "both sides"-- has that even happened all year?

[Trainwreck2100]

I noticed you all totally dodged my "what would you do" question and went the "but Trump" fail again.

kinda like how you dodged my initial question, of "if it's not trumps fault how it it biden's fault" But i guess it's more funny cause you have money.

[Will Hunting]

I think it was spurraider21 who originally said this but saying Trump is the best an ode for the rioting that’s going on would be like saying that restoring Louis XVI as King of France instead of executing him would have ended the French Revolution.