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    nice reminder of why our education is ed
    For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.

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    As the mother of someone on the spectrum, I'll join the woke group momentarily and take offense over this description :-) BTW, quite the opposite, it's the silence/quiet I worry about - I might welcome some screeching.

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    My advice regarding education: supplement the math - I wouldn't trust elementary school teachers (middle and high school should be better as they have to have a math background or pass subject test to teach math if degree is in other subject). Kids get lost in 4th-5th grade where the application of fractions, decimals and percents get them (it's not just memorization of math facts).

    Of course, this advice/opinion is from a humble parent (who taught her kids) who some of you think we should all disregard - lol.

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    My advice regarding education: supplement the math - I wouldn't trust elementary school teachers (middle and high school should be better as they have to have a math background or pass subject test to teach math if degree is in other subject). Kids get lost in 4th-5th grade where the application of fractions, decimals and percents get them (it's not just memorization of math facts).

    Of course, this advice/opinion is from a humble parent (who taught her kids) who some of you think we should all disregard - lol.
    My experience at a very good high school where everybody (mostly high ap ude kids) went to summer school to complete extra math and science was that students with high ap ude for math got great instruction and those who didn't were more or less left behind.

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    Perhaps it's hard to teach math to kids who don't already get it.

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    For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.
    For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) how to kill their prey so they could eat and survive. We have supermarkets now. Under what authority do you make the claim you're better at teaching children than most public school teachers? I'm sure you're better than a handful, there's always an outlier, but pray tell how your "life skillz" and personal experience trump school nurses, psychologists, librarians, school counselors, social workers, speech pathologists and all that network of educational support you find in any modern children schools? "My children came out ok" is not a valid answer. It's both a very debatable opinion and an anecdote.

    You also don't come across as neither a scholar nor a bookworm (when you are, it shows). I am the son of a elementary school teacher (not in this country and long retired), so I grew up watching every day the amount of work it takes to master a topic, prepare a class, identifying and helping problematic children, seeking help for them, and the years and years it takes to actually gain experience to become really good at that job, and everything that surrounds it. From problematic parents, to deficient infrastructure in some cases, to children that just go to school to get a free meal. I frankly think you've no idea what are you talking about and are just talking out of your ass.

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    My experience at a very good high school where everybody (mostly high ap ude kids) went to summer school to complete extra math and science was that students with high ap ude for math got great instruction and those who didn't were more or less left behind.
    Imho, kids are lost in math much earlier than high school - 4-5th grade. Should be proactive early - make sure they know their math facts (k-3) and then the application of them (fractions, decimals, percents) via word problems (4-5). I sent my dd to ps to take (back then) FCAT math test - she came back asking what was MODE. My thought was why are they teaching mode/median in 5th grade? But, of course, everything is to impress parents/media/etc - terminology, statistics, etc. - more like a mile wide and an inch deep instead of thoroughly understanding fractions/decimals/percents.

    The gap in your example just gets bigger and bigger as kids get to high grades until they reach college and are shut out of whole industries (STEM jobs).

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    Imho, kids are lost in math much earlier than high school - 4-5th grade. Should be proactive early - make sure they know their math facts (k-3) and then the application of them (fractions, decimals, percents) via word problems (4-5). I sent my dd to ps to take (back then) FCAT math test - she came back asking what was MODE. My thought was why are they teaching mode/median in 5th grade? But, of course, everything is to impress parents/media/etc - terminology, statistics, etc. - more like a mile wide and an inch deep instead of thoroughly understanding fractions/decimals/percents.

    The gap in your example just gets bigger and bigger as kids get to high grades until they reach college and are shut out of whole industries (STEM jobs).
    The bitter truth.

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    Perhaps it's hard to teach math to kids who don't already get it.
    They don't get it because they lost it back in 4-5th grade. If, at your very good high school, some didn't get it - think how many (including future K-6 elementary teachers) at very average or very poor high schools - don't get it. If this opinion is true, it was lost way back in elementary schools where teachers don't specialize in math - they teach all subjects. See below a paltry 30 semester hours (that's 1 year) to learn to teach all the below:

    (2) Plan Two. A bachelor's or higher degree with thirty (30) semester hours in elementary education to include the areas specified below:

    (a) Courses in teaching reading in grades K-6 to include each of the following:

    1. Understanding the reading process and effective reading instruction,

    2. Recognition and assessment of reading problems, and

    3. Prescription and utilization of appropriate methods and materials to increase reading performance; and

    (b) Courses in each of the areas specified below:

    1. Content and methods for teaching writing and language arts in grades K-6,

    2. Content and methods for teaching science for grades K-6,

    3. Content and methods for teaching social science for grades K-6,

    4. Content and methods for teaching health education and physical education for grades K-6,

    5. Content and methods for teaching art for grades K-6,

    6. Content and methods for teaching music for grades K-6,

    7. Content and methods for teaching mathematics for grades K-6, and

    8. Materials for use in grades K-6 such as children's literature, multi-media materials, library materials, and the computer as an instructional tool.

    https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certi...6a-4-0151.stml

    Tongue in cheek - I wonder how much time is to be devoted to teaching teachers how to teach diversity and inclusion? Surely not as much as math and English - paltry though that may be - lol.

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    Perhaps it's hard to teach math to kids who don't already get it.
    I hope you don't mean that they aren't CAPABLE of getting it. I hope it's because of poor/lack of instruction somewhere along the way and because math is built upon itself (year after year), it's difficult to correct in high school.

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    As the mother of someone on the spectrum, I'll join the woke group momentarily and take offense over this description :-) BTW, quite the opposite, it's the silence/quiet I worry about - I might welcome some screeching.
    Remember the good old days when you blamed your kid's autism on vaccines? But now you don't because you want to pretend you're not a re antivaxxer.

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    McAuliffe is so ing bad. Clinton Democrats need to be sent to the gas chamber.

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    For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) or the schoolhouse teacher taught all aged kids (think Little House on the Prairie). You, SR21, would do a fine job teaching your daughter (especially if you start early and incorporate into daily life) - it doesn't take a lot of time and you'd do a better job than most public school teachers.
    And for centuries we were morons waiting for geniuses to come around and push us forward

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    who the wants to live in a world like Little House on the Prairie.

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    And for centuries we were morons waiting for geniuses to come around and push us forward
    Nothing has changed.

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    who the wants to live in a world like Little House on the Prairie.
    Michael Landon certainly didn't.

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    For centuries, parents taught their kids (including all life skills) how to kill their prey so they could eat and survive. We have supermarkets now. Under what authority do you make the claim you're better at teaching children than most public school teachers? I'm sure you're better than a handful, there's always an outlier, but pray tell how your "life skillz" and personal experience trump school nurses, psychologists, librarians, school counselors, social workers, speech pathologists and all that network of educational support you find in any modern children schools? "My children came out ok" is not a valid answer. It's both a very debatable opinion and an anecdote.

    You also don't come across as neither a scholar nor a bookworm (when you are, it shows). I am the son of a elementary school teacher (not in this country and long retired), so I grew up watching every day the amount of work it takes to master a topic, prepare a class, identifying and helping problematic children, seeking help for them, and the years and years it takes to actually gain experience to become really good at that job, and everything that surrounds it. From problematic parents, to deficient infrastructure in some cases, to children that just go to school to get a free meal. I frankly think you've no idea what are you talking about and are just talking out of your ass.
    Homeschooled kids out score public school kids.

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    Homeschooled kids out score public school kids.
    1) False, and generally advanced by homeschooling lobby (which is largely centered around religious conservatives). Impossible to test accurately since homeschooling is pretty much completely unregulated in the US, and heavily tilts towards the wealthy. (https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...homeschooling/).
    2) Main concern of parents doing homeschooling (as answered by them) is not education quality, but school environment (https://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=91)

    Fact is, the #1 concern for homeschooled children's parents is the social values their kids are going to learn and be exposed to, not their education quality. Which is why other first world countries like Germany pretty much ban homeschooling entirely.

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    Still wins by 20 points.

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    Still wins by 20 points.
    it’s only a Biden +10 state and T Mac has run a historically bad campaign in an off cycle year. It’s highly unlikely he wins by >5% if he wins at all.

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    it’s only a Biden +10 state and T Mac has run a historically bad campaign in an off cycle year. It’s highly unlikely he wins by >5% if he wins at all.
    That’s with the trumpies in full force mind you.

    I don’t think they’re at all engaged in politics since their dear leader got his pushed him hard. I fully expect all Dems to push the insurrection thing hard come next year as well which can only help.

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    That’s with the trumpies in full force mind you.

    I don’t think they’re at all engaged in politics since their dear leader got his pushed him hard. I fully expect all Dems to push the insurrection thing hard come next year as well which can only help.
    Yeah you’re simply delusional. All the recent polls have this race as a dead heat. Virginia isn’t a D+20 state

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    Yeah you’re simply delusional. All the recent polls have this race as a dead heat. Virginia isn’t a D+20 state
    I will admit I haven’t kept up with politics since last January but you were always a pessimist about these things. Races you thought would be close weren’t and so on.

    I personally don’t believe this particular race will be close.

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    I will admit I haven’t kept up with politics since last January but you were always a pessimist about these things. Races you thought would be close weren’t and so on.

    I personally don’t believe this particular race will be close.
    what are you talking about? My predictions last year were overly optimistic. I thought Greenfield and Bullock were in close races and I thought Collins was toast.

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