I have very accurate bolt action rifles that I guarantee would be more deadly to law enforcement even from hundreds of yards away than an AR15 were I inclined to use them for that.
Are shooters just as likely to kill the same number of people and just as unlikely to be confronted by police if they're using a bolt action rifle? Why or why not?
Key GOP senators signal that raising age to buy semi-automatic weapons is off the table
By Manu Raju, Lauren Fox and Ted Barrett, CNN
Updated 7:53 PM ET, Mon June 6, 2022
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Solly Cholly!!!
Yup.
Manchin wants to raise age to 21 for gun purchases, doesn't see need for AR-15s.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics/manchin-gun-purchase-age-ar15sl
Correct.
However, let's go ahead and ban them all - and then watch them flood in through the Democrat's open southern border.
ok then you write the legislation so its not just the AR15 but any other semi auto that fits particular specs, whether you want to look at rate of fire, capacity, or other characteristics
of course they are. they'll just quickscope like call of duty gamers
this is a different situation than Uvalde.
At range and probably behind some defensive barrier with more precision aiming at targets
The reality is you don’t need a long gun to pull off Uvalde. You don’t need the accuracy and it’s more difficult to conceal. Unless you’re going for shock and awe (military style) or just trying to look badass. Both possibilities and would justify a ban based on appearance.
Still think a ban on all semi autos is the way to go, but this would be a good first step.
...As it should be.
But until that moment...---NOW---...double your arms stockpile, double your ammunition cache. &&& learn how to build your own ammunition.
I think the shock and awe thing also kept the cops away and pinned other classrooms in place.
I can see how a long gun could be a disadvantage possibly in tight quarters.
But to say you could have accomplished this just as easily with a knife or a car is just ridiculous.
He could just have easily accomplished with a Glock 22 or other double stack hand guns . Evil will find a way to be evil.
I think that’s true. Which is why the ban needs to cover all semi autos. They’re fun toys and not needed for self defense.
A ton of rounds and relatively quickly.
Those kids and teachers were destroyed. they could not identify a number of them.
He seemingly went around and redid the deed over and over to make sure it was complete.
Im not sure how many kids would have been saved if the authorities actually went in sooner.
We have not been given much of a timeline and a complete description of where people who could have done something were doing or discussing yet.
Many involved have shut up. The FBI is essential in getting this straightened out for those parents, because Uvalde Texas cannot.
I've said the "various gun control ideas" don't work because they are A) uninformed and B) too weak to matter.You've spent hours and dozens of posts in other threads arguing against the merits of various gun control ideas and now you want people to believe you're actually a 2A abolitionist.
And you want people to argue with you in good faith on the idea that Republicans will align with Democrats on an outright gun ban despite opposing every previous effort related to gun control.
This is why no one is taking this seriously. You're full of and it's not worth the time.
I don't want anyone to argue with me. I want you pussies to get to crackin' on effective gun control. Chop chop.
Of course no one is taking it seriously. The alternative is that you admit you're powerless to effect change, and not just as a single voter but as an entire party. That must be a hard pill to swallow.
This is you ignoring the fact that the left will do nothing about it but you'll keep voting for the same folks regardless. You prefer to create false narrative and then chase that through the threads.
Who said car?
They aren't as likely to use one because they are anamored by the AR platform. The bolt action is so hunterish. The Texas Tower shooter used a 700 bolt action.
The silver lining is that the hurdles to effect change are political and not legal.
It's no different than any other semiauto that will accept magazines of the same caliber as far as killing effectiveness. The difference is in the picatinny rail (or Weaver rail) system that allows attachments, the easy assembly and disassembly, the customizability, How it accepts M-lok attachments like slings and how durable it is. However most are heavy ers, and you need to spend an inordinate amount of money to skeleton one out without removing it's effectiveness. What other platform allows you to put on an EOTech for CQB or a 3x9 for 400 meter shots, add a pad operated light, a suppressor, collapsing stock, bipod and have a receiver stamped with custom symbols? Basically they are cool, but cool to a hobbyist vs cool to a kid with no gun discipline or respect for human life is two different things. Kids don't want to use a semiauto hunting rifle (most hunters don't either). However, as far as KE down range and effectiveness and accuracy, the other platforms are likely more accurate (leaving out custom builds for accuracy with tricked out triggers and BCGs)
There are not substantial differences. Before all the "they gonna take ur gunz" hype from the left, you could get an AR at Academy for about 650 dollars. Now you need about 1400 to even sniff a decent one, and you can spend well over 3500 to build one with hand picked parts.
Why is it so popular then, if it's no different? Educate me. Is it just because it looks cooler? Because even if that's all it is, that's reason enough for me to target them first.
It's not like there's no legislative precedent for banning certain versions of destructive items based on superficial reasons. We're banning menthol cigarettes in 2022. Is that going to substantially cut smoking related health issues?
Probably some Columbine wannabes are going to find shooting up a school with an M1A less kickass than using an AR-15 and that alone might save lives. And if it works just as well for hog hunting or whatever you might use them for if you ever take them out of the safe, seems like you lose nothing.
But my guess is there are substantial differences that gun owners don't like to talk about in the context of a gun control debate.
the left drivin up the price in the absence of regulation!
Doesn't sound silver to me. The politicians who serve the group that would change laws aren't going to do anything about it, because they are all sucking the same teat. You have states run completely by liberals who have more gun related murders per capita than states run completely by republicans, because their laws are ineffective "for show" laws. Everyone has a gun, but it's "super hard" to get one. Sure it is.
It's fear that drives the price for the gun owner, because it drives urgency to get in now, before the ban. Laws have historically not affected already manufactured items that have been sold to consumers (bump stock bans are rare in that case). Anyone is free to deny or scoff at it, meanwhile the machine keeps churning out more guns to more people afraid they won't have one if his the fan. (like someone here said, even SR21 was going to buy one)
It would be much more challenging if it were enshrined in law (or god forbid the cons ution) the right to own a semi auto. It’ll take time, but eventually you 2A gun cultists will die off.
We leftists are playing the long game
The guns are mostly being sold to the same cultists. Whether you own one or ten makes no difference.
SR21 would buy a 38 special and that’s all he needs tbh.
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