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So Jordan and Pippen are overrated yet the bulls win 6 championships.
Bill Walton is a good choice...
The guy only made the playoffs 4 times in his career and 2 of those times it was as a backup on the powerhouse Celtics teams...Great passser yeah...but he's a 7 footer, a little scoring would be nice, and if your teamates suck all those great passes aren't going to amount to much.
But then again, if people use head to head logic...Walton is better than Kareem, because he completely schooled Kareem the year he lead the Blazers to the le.
But he's definitely one of the most over-rated ever IMO. He wasn't a guy that could just be stuck on a team and they are automatically a le contender, and who lifts his teamates level of play.
Why Jordan is over-rated is a more complicated issue...Jordan is greatest scorer 1a of all time...most atheltically challenging to guard....perhaps even the most clutch...but Jordan really didn't make his teamates better and he basically admitted as much himself...
Right before he went on his le runs he was criticized for not making his teamates better...His response? Get me better teamates. They did just that.
And the rest is history.
But he's not the greatest ever IMO. If I am building a franchise from square 1 I take Magic Johnson over Jordan any day of the week.
So Jordan and Pippen are overrated yet the bulls win 6 championships.
Sebastian Telfair, hands down for me. I know he's only been in a year, but IMO he's overrated. Should have gone to Louisville and developed longer.
I thought pippin was great
he won six les
are you telling me duncan gets even HALF the respect/pub/credit GOAT talk that jordan does?
NO
So Jordan and Pippen are overrated yet the bulls win 6 championships.
I never said Pippen was over-rated. And championships are a team accomplishment...not an individual achievement.
I have looked at every site on the internet that lists NBA champions year by year...and not one single year on any site, is Michael Jordan listed as the NBA champion.
duncan>jordan hands down
Pippen gets mentioned as the greatest role player of all time and Jordan the greatest superstar of all time. I think neither are overrated.
I agree on McGrady. I would only add...I just don't think he's that interested anymore.
Yikes! There's another one. It's a toss-up.
I can't believe people find MJ over-rated!
My vote: Steve Francis.
Good choice. He can score no doubt, but that's about it. He has yet to find his position.
My vote: Steve Francis.
Stromile Swift has to be up there. He is only a high leaper.
I would also put Ray Allen in this category. He can shoot lights out, but that's about it.
Add Dirk to this list too.
I agree that he was pretty good, but for a few years some people where trying to say he was as good as D-rob and hakeem. i can still remember hearing him complain that he felt the refs never considered him an elite center in the NBA. today if he played he would be very good due to the lack of great centers, but when he played he was not elite.
Pippen >>>>>>>>>>> Kobe
Kobe without Shaq is a
I forgot Duncan.
you're stupid
When the pundits are calling someone the "Greatest Player of All Time," it's very easy to be overrated. The way that people talk now, and the way that people were talking when Jordan was playing (Bob Costas was calling MJ the GOAT before he even won his third le), he has the reputation as being the very pinnacle of the game of basketball, a player by which every other player is judged, a basketball "Jesus."
If you really take a good long look at it though, the question of whether MJ was the greatest basketball player of all time is very debatable.
In my mind, he is overrated for the simple fact that I don't think he was the greatest ever. And when you're getting that kind of misplaced respect from the world at large, that makes you the most overrated; it's the worst act of overrating for people to call someone the best when that person really isn't the best.
^^That's up for personal judgement though, on who really is the "best" of all time. I may think its MJ, u may think its Magic...
Who really gets to judge who the one "best" player in the game is? All player have certain faults and aspects of their game which stand out compared to others.
exactly, which is why this list is just going to keep growing. I bet every star to ever play the game has a group of people that think he is overated.
Great point...
Tim Duncan? Tim freakin' Duncan? You've got to be kidding. Tim Duncan is like the most underrated bigman ever.
And Magic Johnson? And Kareem? WTF?
For current players I'd go with:
Kwame Brown -- Number one pick on the 2001 draft I believe...guy is freakin' pathetic.
Peja Stojackovic -- Does he do anything but chuck the ball up there?
Chris Webber -- The names should tell you why.
Stephon Marbury -- SUCKS. PERIOD.
Steve Francis -- *Cough*
Antoine Walker -- I wish I could find those pictures of him...
Keith Van Horn -- Freakin' soft.
I can't think of many more, but in my mind the all time most overrated player not in the league anymore is Patrick Ewing.
Let me pick one team by team.
Atlanta - Josh Smith...Good dunker. Nothing else.
Boston - Ricky Davis...Had one of the best dunks ever over Steve Nash. What else has he done?
Charlotte - Gerald Wallace - See above Josh Smith, but more scoring ability.
Chicago - Tyson Chandler - Very athletic for being 7ft. Has never been consistent.
Cleveland - Drew Gooden - Has the size, but won't ever stack up against the better PF's like Duncan and Garnett.
Dallas - Dirk - Can shoot really good for a guy his size. That's it folks.
Denver - Andre Miller - He's not really a point. If he would switch to shooting guard...nah. He has a one dimensional game.
Detroit - Antonio McDyess - He was very good before the injury, but too bad. This was a hard one because they are so darn good.
Golden State - A tie. Baron Davis and Jason Richardson - Both good in the scoring department more Baron than Richardson. Baron is way overrated and yet mentioned as one of the best point guards in the league. Richardson can dunk, but that's it.
Houston - Too easy. Yao. Very big player. Nothing else.
Indiana - Jamal Tinsley - Has never played a full 82. Has only averaged double figures in scoring once so far.
LA Clippers - Cuttino Mobley - Can shoot pretty good and score 15 or so on any given night, but can't do much else.
LA Lakers - Lamar Odom - Very athletic, but can only go left. Not a good defender.
Memphis - A tie. Pau Gasol and Eddie Jones - Leaning more towards Eddie Jones. Can score and defend at times, but received too much hype at time back in the day. Gasol is a seven footer and is doing great this year, but has never averaged 20+ in scoring and 10+ in rebounds.
Miami - Another tie. Jason Williams and Antoine Walker - Both can score. Nothing else to their game except that Williams can pass the ball really well, but can also turn the ball over very good too.
Milwaukee - Toni Kukoc - Was suppose to bring the glory back to Chi Town, but couldn't play D.
Minnesota - Wally Szczerbiak - Can't believe he made the All-Star game once.
New Jersey - Vince Carter - One of the best dunkers of all time if not the best. He can score a lot of points, but has never committed to playing any defense.
New Orleans Hornets - Desmond Mason - This one was hard because they really don't have anyone who has received a lot of hype recently. However, ever since he was in the dunk contest Mase was overrated for a while because of the dunking.
New York - Stephon Marbury - Proclaimed himself the best point guard in the game. I don't see it.
Orlando - Steve Francis - Was once called the Franchise. Funny. I don't see him with a ring and the Franchise was traded. How do you trade the Franchsie? Good scorer. That's about it.
Philadelphia - Chris Webber - It may be the knees, but he is overrated. Never really reached the level Duncan and Garnett are at. I almost picked AI.
Phoenix - Brian Grant - Looked really good for a while, but he came down from that cloud. He is listed as a center. Has only averaged 10+ in rebounding once. Gets schooled on too much.
Portland - Darius Miles - Looked good when he was playing alongside Q. Richardson when playing for the Clippers, but that ended really quick.
Sacramento - Mike Bibby - This was hard too because I want to say SAR. However, Bibby is the face of this franchise, but can't defend too good.
San Antonio - Nazr - I know many are asking why. I am basing this on fans here in the forum. So many want SA to sign him now for like another five years. Yet, I don't see why. He has good size, but doesn't use it well. He has an ugly shot and butter on his hands.
Seattle - Ray Allen - Can score and shoot lights out. That's it though. His teams haven't gotten anywhere.
Toronto - Jalen rose - I love his shot. That's it though.
Utah - Carlos Boozer - Looked really good next to Lebron. After that not so much. He needs to wear a shirt under his jersey. I hate that chest hair.
Washington - Antonio Daniels - Can't too much of anything. He's not a great passer, not a great scorer. He is a decent player, not good.
If you're gonna with any overrated Hawk I think you have to say Joe Johnson. No friggin way is he worth max money. I was kind of baffled as to why there was such a huge hullabaloo over him this free agent season. He was a good shooter for them and one of the few that even tried to play defense, but Suns management were wringing their hands like if he left they were doomed to a losing season, and Atlanta looked just plain stupid throwing that kind of money at him.
pretty good list
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