we dont know yet
therefore "possibly"
Sounds reasonable. I'm glad this season's owners' cap looks like cap+room exception+minimums; the opportunities were there and the FO took them, getting at least one player casuals are going to know from State Farm commercials. Next summer looks like the one where they might keep more than one first rounder. I expect spending to remain a little skimpy for our tastes until summer 2026.
I can't expect the Lauri situation to be resolved this offseason, but August 6 will be the date to watch there.
Apparently you don’t remember the rookie years of Tim and Dave. Those two teams went from a 20 win team to a contender in one offseason.
Needle don't move til October, tbh.
Well, a ton of questions will be answered in the 2024-2025 season, that's for sure.
You got it!
The entire league is pretty weak now. Flawed teams like Dallas and Celtic got into the finals. Wemby and Lauri would beat the out of their front court. Sochan, Castle, Barnes, will slow down their guards.
Let’s say they get Lauri.
Does Cp3/Vassell/Barnes/Lauri/Wemby
with Sochan/Castle/(Collins or Bassey) off the bench
move the needle?
And lets play this 8 man roster Tibs minutes with Wemby playing 40 minutes a game…
How many wins?
I would go with a SL of CP3/Vassell/Sochan/Lauri/Wemby. This is a line up with 4 guys who are capable shooters, and 4 guys who are plus defenders.
It avoids the issue of Sochan and Castle sharing the court (until such time one of them proves a capable shooter) and gives a bench corps of Tre/Castle/Champ/Barnes/Collins a little better opportunity to succeed.
Unfortunately I think Collins for Lopez is off the table at this point but it's not the end of the world. At that point, I'd maybe not bring Mamu back and see if there is an opportunity for a little better depth with a 4/5. Can Achuiwa be had on a cheap prove it deal, since no one else seems to want him?
I think that's a 45-48 win team, competing for a 5 or 6 seed.
30 wins, Wemby on the shelf from gross over use by Christmas. Seriously, if you play him 40 minutes, he goes down the Porzingas path, chronic injuries and unrealized potential.
Take the under if it’s set at lol 45 wins
Am I falling for a troll trap? Seems to be lots of misery here for a clearly very bright future.
--How have the past two years of obvious tanking have not work beautifully? '23 it was absolutely best case scenario, got Wemby- BEST CASE SCENARIO- A+++++
'24- Pure tank team already in place (no structure, no vet, NO PG team of 20-24 y/o) + a 19 y/o Wemby, SAS 1st + TOR top-6 protected- Wemby goes All-time rookie- DEF1, added DAL unprotected swap and multiple seconds for cap space, both lottery picks hit near best case scenario (salary slots matter, these were the lowest value #1/#2 picks since 2000)- Maybe got the best prospect in Castle (IMO best chance to be an All-Star or high-end #2, moderate flood- Sheppard right there as higher floor/lower ceiling), choose flexibility= #8 for a '30 swap (from bottom tier franchise) after Ant expires + their '31 + >$6M cap money, choose flexibility= #35 into #36 (no one they liked would take a 2-way so they stashed).- Pretty much best case scenario for Prospect + assets + cap, time will tell, IMO thats an A, but whatever its arbitrary
'25 (past few days)- Flip a non-guaranteed K + back-half 2RDer for cap space, use cap space saved by moving #8 and #35= a quality vet role player who started 82 game/fills shooting & positional need on a very movable salary + another unprotected swap from a bottom tier franchise, use remaining cap space to sign Player/coach end-of-career 1st Ballot HOFer who was 12th in league in Ass/g and 28th in Assists overall.
Convince both players to take a combined $5M less than owed/agreed to avoid losing asset(s).
Open Cap Exceptions + good players still on the market (Trent Jr, Okoro, Kennard). - TBD and you are in a much better position to trade for someone like Lauri compared to before the drafts (Uta had no use for the #8, now have '30 and '31 picks with unique value to UTA- and the best tank commander in the league (Keldon- got Wemby, ready to get YOU Flagg) is far more expendable, a matching salary, Ainge can sell (22ppg guy as #1 whose entering his prime) on a great K.
"SUPERSTAR"- what do you mean? I get the sense that to you this means anyone who is even close to making AS or All-NBA even once, so like what 50-70 Superstars?
Superstar is a franchise altering player, these guys are almost exclusively future HOFer (or Penny Hardaway), and will have a sustained period of being a clear top 10/15 player over a long period hence the "Super" part.
More than a star, a foundation your team builds AROUND and that the league must adapt to, not for a yr or two, but for most of a decade.
Point being WTF are you talking about "getting another superstar" like that's a common thing. It's rare (usually one of those SS is a past-prime all-time greatat vet See: Bron and Durant) and it will be much harder with the Aprons. Who in the league is better positioned that the Spurs to acquire either an elite star or a superstar via either trade or draft? OKC and maybe Hou. Both clearly have better/more young NBA talent now, but Spurs are right there and a year/2 behind on the rebuild very possible Sochan or Bran could very good by mid-season.
I'm not a trust the process guy, I look at the evidence and evaluate those results, along with likely potential.
Here's what cannot be argued: Spurs possess the best foundational piece in at least a generation, an extremely clean Cap sheet entering Wemby's 4th season (Only-Wemby, Castle, Vessell, Keldon and non-gauranteed Champ), a top 3/4 pile of draft assets, their '22 guys don't look great, hard to call anyone beyond VW/Vessell obvious core guys atm
Room for opinion/TBD: When does the contention window open yr3/yr4?--Can Vessell be a high-end #3 or nah--- can Steph play PG and what's the actual ceiling wherever he plays--- is Keldon a viable #6/7 scorer off the bench long-term or a trade chip--- '25 draft--can we make a deal for Lauri, if so before extension (8/6)/as an expiring/as extended (one day only 2/6 fire sale) or as FA -- did Sochan (Bran,Wes, etc) develop and into what--- how big of a draw is Wemby to other players as potential GOAT- can you flip Barnes for an expiring and asset to clear '26 cap- etc
I understand the frustration after being the most spoiled fanbase in sports for a full generation. PATFO did not ask for Kawhi to bag them, its making lemonade without even the lemons, unlike OKC or Hou. Once they decided to tear it down they've seeming done an excellent job. Not perfect and of course it took luck, it always takes luck. I don't think they're particularly good at drafting but they clearly aren't terrible, they are the middle with almost everyone else.
Of course there were misses and those misses contributed to getting Wemby=bad luck turning into good luck. Yes, they missed on a 19th and a 12th pick but hit on #29, #11 & #41. Everyone misses, the draft its a crapshoot. Yr 3 will answer lots of question with the '22 class, Spurs clearly planned to tank and took multiple homerun swings- maybe none hit its really not a big deal. The overall talent looks away better if one of those guys takes a big yr3 step, but either way the overall strategy put them in position to get Wemby, they got lucky, got him and now have the about brightest future moving forward bc Wemby is 5.5yrs younger than SGA and Luka and is already not far off from being in that Top5. Basically the Spurs an unbelievable chance to be the most spoiled fanbase for another generation. The Spurs will be able to make every move under the new CBA rules and tailor their scheme, that's a huge long-term advantage.
If you are unable to enjoy Wemby's 2nd yr because they haven't done exactly what you wanted by day 3 of the new League yr or by opening day, maybe tune in less and you'll likely enjoy it more. It has not been perfect, but they are extremely well positioned, with the only real flaw being lack of development for those '22 guys. Maybe that shows the Spurs can't develop players, maybe its bc their first 1.5 seasons were played in intentional chaos, maybe its bc all 3 were draft as very high risk/high ceiling/low floor guys, most likely its some of each. If Sochan shows reasonable development and Castle shows real promise as PG the core looks really good. If not, you have the assets to get developed players, maybe from teams that put together their teams under the old CBA and now can't maneuver.
"do'nt believe this team as such win 30+"? One, well said. Two, they tanked last yr. Three, they had a 27win pace after Jones got the job (ie any sembalance of a PG), and a 33win pace after AS once everyone had a clear role with sitting guys late. That same team with development wins 30 bc Wemby and no Sochan/Bran experiment, but its not the same team, they added a legendary and current top 15 Ass/g guy & Player/Coach, a durable PF vet who stretches the floor, and a potential ROY and in the process pushed the weaker rotation guys down or out. The team is at least marginally better around him and Wemby will be better, likely much much better and maybe legit MVP candidate better and frontrunner for DPOY. Try to enjoy it.
Last edited by Arguendo; 07-10-2024 at 12:30 AM.
hahahah phone will not accept Wemby, forced autocorrects to Wendy every damn time, should prob just use VW
double post
Wemby automatically has better defense and shooting around him. We’ll win 30 games.
If 30 is the number that is a tough decision
I say over but barely
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