Redistribution of Wealth vs Creation of Wealth

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yup, and what's so funny?

Nothing, I just love the politician-esque anecdote you used as evidence of your larger point.

[2centsworth]

My sources are the many references to this fact I have heard throughout my life, but if you need something to read --

World Book

History of Hispanic American immigration

The Hispanic presence in what is now the United States actually began before the country existed. Spanish explorers established colonies in what would become the Southeast and Southwest regions of the United States.

Cuban immigration

Cuban immigration to the United States picked up sharply during the late 1950's, as a result of increasing political turmoil in Cuba. Until the mid-1950's, only a few thousand Cubans came to the United States each year. But during the late 1950's and early 1960's, the number of Cuban immigrants increased dramatically. In 1959, Cuban revolutionary Fidel Castro came to power. He announced the restructuring of Cuban society. Many middle- and upper-class Cubans found Castro's plans threatening to their way of life. Between 1959 and late 1962, about 200,000 anti-Castro Cubans immigrated to the United States.

In October 1962, commercial air flights between Cuba and the United States were suspended. Nonetheless, about 50,000 Cubans entered the United States between late 1962 and 1965. Many of these people sailed secretly from Cuba in small boats, some of which were apprehended by the Cuban navy before they reached the United States. In 1965, the United States and Cuban governments agreed to set up an airlift between Cuba and Miami. The airlift brought about 250,000 Cubans into the United States between 1966 and 1973.

Until 1986, the United States admitted most Cuban immigrants who claimed to be seeking political asylum. Many of the first Cubans to flee in the early 1960's were from wealthy families and were well educated. The U.S. government granted asylum to these people and offered federal help to qualified applicants in finding homes and in making job contacts. Most later Cuban immigrants were relatives of the first group or were poor people looking for work.

there are over 1.5 million cubans in this country. Your article tells me along with the wealthy came a lot of not so wealthy too. A good mix like I said.

Contrast that to the Puerto Ricans who are full fledge citizens of the US.

IMO the reason Cubans do very well in the US is because they have experienced communism.

[Mr. Peabody]

there are over 1.5 million cubans in this country. Your article tells me along with the wealthy came a lot of not so wealthy too. A good mix like I said.

Well, contrast that with the other Hispanic groups that are immigrating to the US and I think you will find that the "mix" is not so good.

[2centsworth]

Well, contrast that with the other Hispanic groups that are immigrating to the US and I think you will find that the "mix" is not so good.

I'm not denegrating other hispanics. I'm more proping up a minority class. Nevertheless, when I say good mix I mean most of the people who immigrated were not rich.

[Mr. Peabody]

I'm not denegrating other hispanics. I'm more proping up a minority class. Nevertheless, when I say good mix I mean most of the people who immigrated were not rich.

Oh, I wasn't saying that you were denigrating other Hispanic groups. I only used other Hispanic groups to make the point that the Cuban-Americans are unique, in that they came to this country with resources at their disposal. They weren't dirt poor, as was stated.

[2centsworth]

Oh, I wasn't saying that you were denigrating other Hispanic groups. I only used other Hispanic groups to make the point that the Cuban-Americans are unique, in that they came to this country with resources at their disposal. They weren't dirt poor, as was stated.

Most came and still come without many resources. However, resources aside the Cuban Community as a whole has a very entrepreneurial at ude.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm already rich for I have friends..trolls..and a man with friends is the richest man in town.

Robin Hood had a good idea it was those damn tights that did him in.

[2centsworth]

I'm already rich for I have friends..trolls..and a man with friends is the richest man in town.

Robin Hood had a good idea it was those damn tights that did him in.

Friends and family do make a person rich, no doubt!

[Peter]

So being a Christian also gives you license to be an asshole because it proves that you really do need Christ?

No wonder your numbers are growing!

What makes you a Christian then? Merely claiming that you are a Christian? You don't have to adhere to any teachings or anything? Is this like being a Compassionate Conservative?

Faith. Accepting Christ as your savior. It doesn't mean that you have a license to do as you please, for you will have to answer to someone sooner or later.

[Darrin]

Indeed. Which is why trying to find hypocrisy among Christians is pointless. The faith is about man not being infalliable and needing Christ. I guess it's a fun diversion though.

As a fellow Christian, I find this a very convienent interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Being a good Christian (and really just a good human being) means that there is no judgement of the individual person, and that it's a sin to do so. Judgement is reserved for God.

The act of sin is seperate from the man; The man can always be redeemed, even in the last moments of life. Does this mean there are no responsibilities for ones actions, as your post seems to suggest? It's quite the opposite. Only in realizing the full impact of ones sins, can true repentance take place. Saying "I'm weak" and continuing with the action is lip service and preying on the compassion of others. Stating beliefs contrary to your actions when it is known a sin is being committed is a sin onto itself.

Bottom line: There is no room for hypocricy in the life of a Christian. Once hypocricy is realized, it must be corrected or it's a sin.

[2centsworth]

As a fellow Christian, I find this a very convienent interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Being a good Christian (and really just a good human being) means that there is no judgement of the individual person, and that it's a sin to do so. Judgement is reserved for God.

The act of sin is seperate from the man; The man can always be redeemed, even in the last moments of life. Does this mean there are no responsibilities for ones actions, as your post seems to suggest? It's quite the opposite. Only in realizing the full impact of ones sins, can true repentance take place. Saying "I'm weak" and continuing with the action is lip service and preying on the compassion of others. Stating beliefs contrary to your actions when it is known a sin is being committed is a sin onto itself.

Bottom line: There is no room for hypocricy in the life of a Christian. Once hypocricy is realized, it must be corrected or it's a sin.

Fantastic post!

[implacable44]

As a fellow Christian, I find this a very convienent interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Being a good Christian (and really just a good human being) means that there is no judgement of the individual person, and that it's a sin to do so. Judgement is reserved for God.

The act of sin is seperate from the man; The man can always be redeemed, even in the last moments of life. Does this mean there are no responsibilities for ones actions, as your post seems to suggest? It's quite the opposite. Only in realizing the full impact of ones sins, can true repentance take place. Saying "I'm weak" and continuing with the action is lip service and preying on the compassion of others. Stating beliefs contrary to your actions when it is known a sin is being committed is a sin onto itself.

Bottom line: There is no room for hypocricy in the life of a Christian. Once hypocricy is realized, it must be corrected or it's a sin.

or maybe God has counseled you to judge with a righteous judgment - john 7:24.

but as for my part -- I didn't judge an individual like peabody accuses me of - I stated facts regarding an ins utional error.

[Peter]

As a fellow Christian, I find this a very convienent interpretation of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Being a good Christian (and really just a good human being) means that there is no judgement of the individual person, and that it's a sin to do so. Judgement is reserved for God.

The act of sin is seperate from the man; The man can always be redeemed, even in the last moments of life. Does this mean there are no responsibilities for ones actions, as your post seems to suggest? It's quite the opposite. Only in realizing the full impact of ones sins, can true repentance take place. Saying "I'm weak" and continuing with the action is lip service and preying on the compassion of others. Stating beliefs contrary to your actions when it is known a sin is being committed is a sin onto itself.

Bottom line: There is no room for hypocricy in the life of a Christian. Once hypocricy is realized, it must be corrected or it's a sin.

The bottom line is that hypocrisy is to be expected from man, Christian or not. Man never ceases to be without sin before the physical death. Only one man lived and died without sin. Telling me that you found a Christian who's sinned lately is not new news. Sure, how they deal with their sins is rather important, but the mere fact of having sinned does not mean they are not Christian. You extrapolated a bit too far.

[2centsworth]

The bottom line is that hypocrisy is to be expected from man, Christian or not. Man never ceases to be without sin before the physical death. Only one man lived and died without sin. Telling me that you found a Christian who's sinned lately is not new news. Sure, how they deal with their sins is rather important, but the mere fact of having sinned does not mean they are not Christian. You extrapolated a bit too far.

There's a difference between someone who willfully sins and someone who slips into sin.

[Peter]

There's a difference between someone who willfully sins and someone who slips into sin.

Again, Christians do sin, even after being saved. How do you know if someone is willfully sinning or has merely slipped? You don't. Again, as I have stated in this thread, a Christian does have to account for those sins, but the notion that man continues to sin in this life is a part of the faith. That doesn't mean I am saying that the Christian has some license to do so, but a rather key assumption in the faith is that no man was ever perfect save for one.