Buck Harvey: Names of All-Stars change, but the impact of Ginobili rarely does

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Again with your argument of carrying the team to the finals, something I have never said.

If you replace TD with Mihm I guarantee you that the Spurs make the playoffs.

And yes, an injury free Manu in more than half of the teams in this league is an AS.

Kobe with Mihm wasn't enough to make the playoffs in the West last season.

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

Yes, it is hopeless to argue that Manu isn't there due to that.

Its getting really ing boring that everytime either TP or Manu have a great night, and someone wants to pimp their accomplishments it has to be preceeded with a "Thanks to Duncan" to appease the insecure TD's ball huggers!

**Sportman** · 02-13-2006

Hey PETER do you have something against manu??.......and if you are a spurs fans, i cant believe you are discussing something is not really important when the team is having SEASON like this.

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Its getting really ing boring that everytime either TP or Manu have a great night, and someone wants to pimp their accomplishments it has to be preceeded with a "Thanks to Duncan" to appease the insecure TD ball huggers!

I guess this entire forum will have to continue to lie to itself in order to appease the need to worship Manu.

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Sportman

Hey PETER do you have something against manu??.......and if you are a spurs fans, i cant believe you are discussing something is not really important when the team is having SEASON like this.

Ah yes, now I'm not a Spurs fan because I recognize TD's importance to the team's success.

**smeagol** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

Sure, Manu excels when he is on a team that's in the Finals due to TD and also due to the fact that TD is the primary focal point for an opposing defense.

Well, I guess unless either Manu or TD leave the Spurs we will never know.

The fact is Manu has excelled elsewhere without Timmy. You can say it was not in the NBA, but the fact is he has excelled without a dominant big man.

I'm not sure how good he would be without Duncan, but saying he owes everything he is as a basketball player to TD is a stupid statement. I hope you realize how stupid your argument is. And besides, you cannot prove it.

**IceColdBrewski** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

Why wait? It's rather obvious. Surely you can figure it out.

Just as I thought. He has nothing but bull .

Never fails. All you have to do is give em enough rope, and they'll eventually

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

I guess this entire forum will have to continue to lie to itself in order to appease the need to worship Manu.

Ok, so now acknowledging that Manu is a great player is worshiping?? What the do you call your obsession with Duncan???

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski

Just as I thought. He has nothing but bull .

It's more than you've brought.

Never fails. All you have to do is give em enough rope, and they'll eventually

Or, in your case, just give him a gun and tell him to point it at his head.

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by smeagol

Well, I guess unless either Manu or TD leave the Spurs we will never know.

The fact is Manu has excelled elsewhere without Timmy. You can say it was not in the NBA, but the fact is he has excelled without a dominant big man.

I'm not sure how good he would be without Duncan, but saying he owes everything he is as a basketball player to TD is a stupid statement. I hope you realize how stupid your argument is. And besides, you cannot prove it.

Sure, he excelled in a game which deemphasized the importance of a low post threat.

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Ok, so now acknowledging that Manu is a great player is worshiping?? What the do you call your obsession with Duncan???

Reality.

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

Reality.

... pointless

**MaNuMaNiAc** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

Its getting really ing boring that everytime either TP or Manu have a great night, and someone wants to pimp their accomplishments it has to be preceeded with a "Thanks to Duncan" to appease the insecure TD's ball huggers!

BOTTOM ING LINE RIGHT HERE!! I'm done with this chump

**smeagol** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

Sure, he excelled in a game which deemphasized the importance of a low post threat.

At the end of the day, in your book, only big men can be great players. You even downplayed Kobe's talent. You are a lost cause.

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

BOTTOM ING LINE RIGHT HERE!! I'm done with this chump

When in doubt, capitalize.

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by smeagol

At the end of the day, in your book, only big men can be great players. You even downplayed Kobe's talent. You are a lost cause.

No I haven't. I pointed out that even a player like Kobe can struggle without a low post threat.

**IceColdBrewski** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by MaNuMaNiA

... pointless

Forget it. He's obviously going to keep flinging bull until he thinks he has saved a little face. Let him have his fantasy.

**nkdlunch** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

I guess this entire forum will have to continue to lie to itself in order to appease the need to worship Manu.

Manu Ginobili:
les
2001 Italian League Championship (Kinder Bologna)
2001 Italian Cup (Kinder Bologna)
2001 Euroleague (Kinder Bologna)
2001 Americas Championship (Argentina)
2002 Italian Cup (Kinder Bologna)
2003 NBA Championship (San Antonio Spurs)
2004 Summer Olympic Games Gold Medal (Argentina)
2005 NBA Championship (San Antonio Spurs)

Awards
1999 Italian League All-Star
2000 Italian League All-Star
2000 Italian League Most Improved Player
2001 Italian League All-Star
2001 Italian League Most Valuable Player
2001 Euroleague Most Valuable Player
2002 Italian Cup Most Valuable Player
2002 Italian League Most Valuable Player
2002 Ideal Indianapolis World Cup Team
2004 Ideal Olympics Team
2004 Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player
2005 NBA All-Star
2005 Nike Baller Of The Year (fan poll)

yeah it was all thanks to Duncan

**smeagol** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by Peter

No I haven't. I pointed out that even a player like Kobe can struggle without a low post threat.

He score 81 pts in one game. He is averaging 35 pts a game.

Yep, the kid is struggling all right.

You are not very intelligent, are you?

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by smeagol

He score 81 pts in one game. He is averaging 35 pts a game.

Yep, the kid is struggling all right.

You are not very intelligent, are you?

What seed would his team be if the postseason started today?

**Peter** · 02-13-2006

Originally Posted by nkdlunch

Manu Ginobili:
les
2001 Italian League Championship (Kinder Bologna)
2001 Italian Cup (Kinder Bologna)
2001 Euroleague (Kinder Bologna)
2001 Americas Championship (Argentina)
2002 Italian Cup (Kinder Bologna)
2003 NBA Championship (San Antonio Spurs)
2004 Summer Olympic Games Gold Medal (Argentina)
2005 NBA Championship (San Antonio Spurs)

Awards
1999 Italian League All-Star
2000 Italian League All-Star
2000 Italian League Most Improved Player
2001 Italian League All-Star
2001 Italian League Most Valuable Player
2001 Euroleague Most Valuable Player
2002 Italian Cup Most Valuable Player
2002 Italian League Most Valuable Player
2002 Ideal Indianapolis World Cup Team
2004 Ideal Olympics Team
2004 Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player
2005 NBA All-Star
2005 Nike Baller Of The Year (fan poll)

yeah it was all thanks to Duncan

Strip away the non-NBA accomplishments and yes, TD was a major factor.