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well except for lebron
SuperStar + NO Chemistry = TWolves
SuperStar + Chemistry = SPURS
No Supertars + Chemistry = Pistons
well except for lebron
Bowen will never be able to guard LeBron well. Bowen can guard people taller than him that are lean, or regular sized, quick perimeter players. But he's not going to be able to guard a guy with LeBron's body style.
If Lebron's complaining, he's in Lebron's head, too. He may not be as effective against Lebron as he is against some others, but Lebron thinks about it and probably dreads it. If he didn't he wouldn't have commented.
Interesting. I haven't seen enough of Lebron to know what body type his falls into? Is it that he is extremely muscular?
Re: Shaq. I think he is the most UN-dirty player ever. Esp for a guy of his size, who gets grabbed and hacked CONSTANTLY. He may bump people, and when a guy who's 7' and 300 lbs "bumps" you, it's gonna hurt a little, but I've rarely see him lose his cool or do anything illegal. The same could be said for Duncan or Robinson, but I think Shaq takes a little more of a beating in the paint than those guys, though I think Duncan is catching up to them.
when did lebron comment ? and just because you say someone is dirty doesnt mean you are in their head and I think the only one dreading a repeat match-up would be Bowen after he got lit up for 44 and spent his 31 minutes on the floor looking at lebrons backside.
Yeah, Avery did get a ring playing for the Spurs, but he learned from more than just Pop. He also gained alot from playing for and coaching with Nellie. Do you also forget that Pop was one time Nellie's assistant as well. Now I'm not saying I agreed with Nellie's philosophy 100%, but the guy did have some influence on Avery as well. Avery did gain alot from his experience with the Spurs, but he had other influences as well, so that doesn't mean he's a clone of Pop.
I agree, I don't think of Shaq as dirty but it seems as if the NBA allows him to play football on a basketball court.
LeBron is a little taller than Bowen but that's not the problem. He outweighs Bowen by 45 pounds, plus obviously he's extremely athletic. It's not a good matchup for Bowen.
what game are you watching ? I have seen shaq play since he was a junior at cole and i was a soph at judson - played with and against him and he has been the same since - he commits at least 5 offensive fouls a game. Granted he does get pushed but when 380 is leaning on you -- you have to push him back or else you fall over. - he hasn't done anything dirty ? - without rehashing the past - focus on what he did to Andrew Bynum this year when they played the Lakers -
LeBron didn't comment. And I don't think Bowen is in his head. He just regards Bowen as a pesky defender.
The guys who that Bowen is dirty like Ray Allen, Vince Carter, etc. Bowen is definitely in their heads.
I guess u never seen shaq throw his signature elbow to the chest/face of defenders.
Curiously, though, he seems bent on undoing what Nellie did in Dallas and implementing what Pop has done in San Antonio.
I'd say that for now, the Pop influence > Nellie influence.
And for whomever was suggesting that the Mavericks play at a higher tempo than the Spurs, the numbers prove you wrong. John Hollinger's pace number says that the Spurs use marginally more possessions per game than the Mavericks do, so unless the Mavericks are playing some 40 minute games, the numbers say that they don't play at a faster pace than the Spurs.
Finally, who exactly are all of these people suggesting that Manu and Tony are superstars. They're All-Stars, that makes them stars. If you think that their being all-stars means they're overrated, then you really must have issues with disrespect. Tony and Manu are vital cogs to a team that has won 2 of 3 les and may very well play for a 3rd le this summer. How, exactly, are they overrated?
bowen kepted james in check 4 straight games
bowen 4 james 2
i could see how he would be -- he is physical and those are purely finesse guys
LeBron isnt a good matchup for anyone.
Sickest part? Hes 21 (maybe 22). Thats sick.
Kept him in check ? - meaning in his rookie year ?
Someone on the Sonics said that they hate when the Spurs play the Sonics because Ray gets so rattled by Bowen that he has tunnel vision -- and he doesn't see his teammates or the basket
True. I guess my point was that someone like Artest (who is closer in body style to LeBron) could guard him better than someone like Bowen.
I would much rather have a soft-pansy for my primary perimeter defender. I would also take the opinions of a fake Wolves fan over rings any day of the week.
bowen had held james to 81 points in 4 games
that is pretty good tell last game
the first game james lit up bowen
the last game james got the better of him
they played 6 times so far
sickest part is his big head
Like I said - dude was a rookie - then the first match-up this year - which was the Cavs 2nd game of the season and they were attempting to incorporate Hughes and Damon Jones in the offense - I think James only shot 16 times or something and Lebron can get his shot off whenever he wants against anyone. IF he takes 16 shots it is by choice.
I don't really think of Shaq in terms of dirty, but he's such a load it makes him a man amongst boys so to speak. Yeah, he's capable of it, but not in the Karl Malone sense.
I also think Shaq exercises a great deal of patience for someone who constantly get hacked. I've very rarely ever seen the dude lose his cool.
All I can tell you is that Avery said himself that they're not trying to become SA north. I could probably find the quote if you want. There isn't any doubt that Pop has had a huge influence, but like I said the Spurs aren't the only team to show how defense is essential to winning a championship. I'd say Phil Jackson's Bulls, and Lakers championship teams stressed defense , as well as the Pistons, so I guess that means the Spurs copied those teams?
Again the Mavs under Nellie were a run and gun team, but it's been proven you can't win in the playoffs like that in the modern era. Avery has changed that pretty drastically, but I still don't think you can say he's just copying the Spurs.
I'm not the one who was saying that Parker and Gino weren't important to the spurs success. I believe they're deserving allstars, but not superstars. I'm not sure who even started that debate. I think Parker is very underrated personally, but I also think Gino is overrated at times by the media because of his atheleticism. Though he's very talented I still think he's very erratic at times.
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