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What about Finals MVP?
Good thing he wins a championship for each vote he receives.Dirk will end up with more MVP votes than Duncan this season. Again.
What about Finals MVP?
He was just trying to take a shot at Dirk, so I thought that I would help him with some perspective.
Duncan will end up with four more championship trophies than Dirk this season.Dirk will end up with more MVP votes than Duncan this season. Again.
He wasn't saying anything that wasn't true.
Besides, if we wanted to put MVP worthiness into perspective, we could, of course offer up 2 regular season MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs, but I'm sure that would pale in comparison to finishing 3rd one time.
But Duncan's an overrated defender because he didn't play with Bradley.
Absolutely. Of course Mavs fan has still yet to explain exactly how it is that Duncan is an overrated defender. Much like I've still never heard an explanation for why it is that Parker and Ginobili are overrated players. I guess if you say it enough, you start to believe it.
By the way . . . .
1998- 5th
1999- 3rd
2000- 5th
2001- 2nd
2002 -1st
2003- 1st
2004- 2nd
2005- 4th
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The point was that Dallas has lots of support, but that none of it is as talented as some players have the luxury of playing with. Is there a player on Dallas beside Dirk who is on Pippen's level? Rodmans? Horace Grants? Kobe Bryants? John Stocktons? Marions? Wades? Obviously not, but they have a bunch of Pete Meyers'es, Luc Longleys, etc. They are able to come in waves and their bench does not produce much less efficiently than their starters outside of Dirk. That should have been more obvious.Okay, but then you must be telling me that the Mavericks aren't really THAT deep. I just want to be certain I know what the story emanating from Mavericks fans is -- at least for today.
Again, you have to read the whole post and place it into context. The offense grates the defense by eating clock and moving off of the ball. They attack the rim in waves. Then they either score, or miss. If they miss, they are the 4th best team in the NBA at offensive rebounding. Hollinger's analysis says that they are the #1 most efficient offense in the league. To spell it out for you: they eat up clock, wear down a defense, and then score or regain possession and then score.I'm not sure that offensive efficiency necessarily means that the offense wears down a defense. I think offensive efficiency has much more to do with making the most of a team's offensive possessions. A team that scores on a high percentage of its possessions is efficient, even if it takes shots very early in the clock or on the break. Phoenix, for example, had an efficient offense, but it certainly didn't try to wear defenses down (other than by running the floor at a breakneck pace). That the Mavericks are efficient offensively may explain their 4th quarter successes.
KG has a similar game, yes, but he is nowhere near the offensive player that Dirk is when it comes to guard type skills. KG is a better passer, but thats about it. Dirk is truly unique. Period. I dont know why you are even trying to argue that point. That's why Dirk will be remembered. The dude is a legit 7'1" or above and moves like a guard on offense.What exactly makes him a phenomenon? That he's 7 feet tall and can hit some 3 pointers? Again, he's a to match up with, but so is Kevin Garnett, who has a similar game (although a few feet shorter in terms of range). Is KG a phenomenon too?
See, this is just reductionism into irrelevance and it doesnt do justice to the argument at all.To me, the word phenomenon in sports terms means something more superlative than rare and uncommon. Manute Bol was rare and uncommon; was he a phenomenon, too?
I wasnt saying anything that wanst true either. And I'll add to that: its possible and likely that Dirk will finish ahead of Duncan in MVP voting for the rest of their careers.
Sure it is. It's equally likely that the opposite will be true, too.
More importantly, though, if what timvp said about Dirk is true, then it really wasn't a shot, now was it?
If Duncan gets a personal visit from Benny Hinn and his charlatan healer's brigade.
Watch the Spurs get blown out, then this topic will look stupid.
Save the smack for the playoffs.
The Spurs are Champions. Act like Champion fans....... .
All of us know that there's no telling what Spurs team is going to show up on a given night, but at some point you have to take a risk and talk some . Especially on your home floor. I'm ready to enjoy a regular season game. Isn't it time to take one personally?
Also, fear of getting blown out is a lame reason not to talk smack.
Your colleauges are of the opinion that no team has depth that matches the Mavericks' and that the Mavericks' second unit could start for many teams and might even make the playoffs. You seem to be insinuating that I'd be a fool to believe that sort of rhetoric. So, am I right to dismiss the thoughts of your colleauges?
Oh, I understood what you said. I just think it's incorrect to presume that an efficient offense is a clock-grinding offense. And I think it's incorrect to presume that a clock-grinding offense will ultimately wear down a defense. It may happen sometimes -- for crissakes, it might even happen tonight -- but you seem to posit that there is an inescapbable cause-and-effect relationship. I dispute that there is.
KG ran the point for Flip. Does Dirk run the point for Dallas?
No, it's testing your argument to see where it ends. I gave an outrageous example, of course, because one manner for testing logic is to take a statement to an extreme. I dispute your assertion that Dirk is unique in the history of basketball, largely because I think Kevin Garnett functionally does many of the same things. That would make Dirk an exceptional player and a difficult matchup, but not an all-time phenomenon. Just my humble opinion.
The mavs don't have a Pippen or a legit second option but their bench is great. That is what he is trying to say.
The Mavs dont have a Pippen or a Rodman, but basically have three third options (Terry, Howard, Stackhouse), some role players not anywhere near the level of Rodman or Ben Wallace (Griffin, Diop, Mbenga) and a some fourth options (Dampier, Daniels, Van Horn, Harris).
I agree. I don't think I've said anything about the game tonight. I think it will be a tough one for the Spurs, and I frankly wouldn't be surprised if they lost.
This thread gives me a headache.
Same for the Mavs.
I'm kind of expecting one team to blast the other out of the arena though. I get the feeling that its not going to be a close game and the winner will come out looking pretty good.
You know, I've had that same feeling.
I'm about to head out to the game, but I wanted to thank you for such a civilized exchange. It's refreshing to have that sort of debate with a Mavericks fan. I don't necessarily agree with your points, but I appreciate your arguments.
I hope you'll stick around and engage us more as the season and playoffs progress.
The mavs and spurs are hot and cold teams. They can go on some extreme runs like 16-0 in a short time but can also give up a lead on turnovers and careless playing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a blowout based on these teams streakiness.
No problem. Its nice to have civilized debate. We're all people. We all deserve respect.
Im a Mav fan, but I love what the Spurs represent too. If Dallas doesnt take the trophy, I'll be rooting for the Spurs.
I'll check back in with you guys soon. I'll probably stop in tomorrow regardless of the outcome.
Have fun at the ballgame.
10 to 5 Mavs on top i like your reality
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Watch the Spurs get blown out, then this topic will look stupid.
Save the smack for the playoffs.
The Spurs are Champions. Act like Champion fans....... .
SequSpur - idiot post and lack of little faith post of the year! Spurs as predicted proved they are still the reigning champions.
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