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Don't forget, HCA in the Finals isn't really and "advantage" with the 2-3-2 format
WC Overall standing(current):
1. San Antonio - LA Lakers
2. Phoenix - Sacramento
Note:
Sacramento: so the Artest trade was worth it, huh!
Suns : no Amare but will have an easier route to WC finals.
3. Denver - Memphis
4. Dallas - LA Clippers
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runner-up
9. New Orleans
Don't forget, HCA in the Finals isn't really and "advantage" with the 2-3-2 format
Yes they do, the better team always wins a 7 game series.
You are really grasping at straws now, and the first round is a 7 game series now.
Thats what the playoffs are for.
It would not be an upset if the Pissons beat us. And I really don't think the Nuggets and the Clippers can upset us as you suggest.
Most series go 6 or 7 games.
How is it not an advantage to have those last 2 at home?
Alright but I proved that upsets have happened and that was biggest upset of all time. The spurs almost got beat by an inferior pistons team last year. I don't think the pistons should've done as well as they did and I feel this years mavs is better than last years pistons. Therefore I don't think it is a stretch to say the mavs can beat the spurs in a best of 7. The rockets also have no business in stretching the mavs to 7 but incredible performances from Mcgrady along with the rockets outside shooters made it a series. The mavs will have to win the first game of the series to beat the spurs and take an early lead in the series to put the pressure on the spurs. The lakers found that answer even without taking an early lead. That team looked like there was no way they would beat the spurs but it happened.
Tell you what.
Mavs beat the Spurs and I will quit the boards. Can you say the same for the Spurs winning?
No. I agree with you that spurs are the favorites but I wouldn't be surprised if the mavs won.
..what? the Pistons were an inferior team last yr? with Duncan nursing an injury the Pistons were the better team. If Horry didn't shoot that crucial 3 in game 5, we're ed.
But the Spurs played better in game 7. Duncan woke up too! And we won.
I don't buy that, with HCA in that format you get the most important games at home. If you win both your home games, and win 1 out of the middle 3, you are in great shape. Even if you lose one of the first 2, all you have to do is win one of 3 to get it back home. However the pressure is on the home team to win at least one of the first 2 home games.
Let me answer this now.Mavs beat the Spurs and I will quit the boards
No, this is not me.
Carry on with the Pistons Mavericks sizing fest.
He puts too much stock into regular season records.
Is that worthy enough for entrance into your sig?
The pistons barely got by the Pacers and should've lost to the Heat. Shaq and Wade got hurt and that is why the Pistons won. The pistons are better this year though but last year they had no bench.
lolIs that worthy enough for entrance into your sig?
who are you talking to despot?
Injuries are not an excuse, the best team always wins a 7 game series. You do that and every champion there has ever been, or will ever be, would have an * next to their name.
The Pissons handled the Pacers easily 4-2. Shaq was hurt, but he scored 24 and 27 in the last 2 games. Wade scored 20 in game 7. The pissons were clutch in game 7, that is why they won.
Let me get this right, a team with an ok bench that has 2 injured players, who combined, missed a total of 1 game, is automatically better than a team that only has 5 starters and has 7 more bench players who basically missed a total of 49 games. Even though they lost, they still should have won?
Last edited by Despot; 03-15-2006 at 04:10 AM.
To you. Show em you are not the only one to have momentary lapses in judgement when enraged by anger.lol
who are you talking to despot?
Oh.
I know it.
They know it.
They just love to have someone to club.
Canadians have babyseals,
Spurstalk has me.
Yeah im whining, yeah wah wah wah f off.
The fact is Shaq was not the same after the injury and Wade was not healthy enough to play game 7 though he played anyways. Wade was obviously hurting and not the same player and the Pistons took advantage. Otherwise I don't see the pistons winning game 7 because they had no answer for Wade games 1-5.
Here's the thing about looking too closely at the past, PDBM.
Prior to 99, the Spurs were in the Mavs situation. We hadn't done in the playoffs ever. We were perennial regular season champs who bombed the playoffs. And then one year, we were good enough to win it. Some Spurs fans get a little too y over the three championships and forget that EVERYONE is in that boat until they win.
Do I think the Mavs have a chance this year? Eh, a small one. They are improved, but it remains to be seen whether they have (or Dirk has) the mental toughness to hang on for four quarters of each game through a tight series. I personally think they don't, but it's too early to say that. I think the Spurs take the 7 game series, in 5 or 6, depending on injuries, etc (no disrespect to the Mavs intended by that).
Now as for the other, your statement is NOT logical. It's silly to worry about the Pistons, because we are not at the point in the season to do so. The logical approach is to take things as they come - first, ending the regular season with a good record, hopefully one which allows for nice playoff matchups. Two, winning the first round. Three, playing the MAVS (assuming both teams advance). Then, if we win, the conference finals. THEN, we worry about the Pistons - assuming Miami doesn't beat them. IMO, the only reason Miami didn't beat them last year was the injury to Dwayne Wade in game 5. Miami healthy can give the Pistons some trouble.
But jumping ahead to that and worrying about the number of wins, well, it's a fan stance. Not a logical stance, not the stance professional players or coaching staff have. You are welcome to it, but it doesn't make you look any smarter for it.
Also, you are annoying because you didn't take the time to figure out how things work, or what humor is appreciated. You've jumped right in, which is an approach, and you are trying to force people to like you. You are overbearing, overly defensive and stubborn. You pursuse minute points beyond all reason, refuse to acknowledge other's valid opinions, are rude and condescending without having earned the right to be. Like it or not, there is a certain ranking of poster around here, based on longevity, quality of analysis, humor, etc. No, it's not written down, it's observable behavior. No one like the asshole who comes in and places himself too high in the hierarchy without reason.
If we don't focus on our own division and win it, we probably aren't going to have HCA against the Pistons anyway.
Actually the Pistons control their own destiny as far as HCA is concerned. All we can do is keep winning and hope they have a bad streak.
Good point. But keep in mind we didn't just "make it over the hump". We got Duncan, then a year later won it all. Who have the Mavs added who will have that effect?
It is logical. Sometomes one needs to look ahead, with a "if everything goes as plan" type approach. Obviously, we have to MAKE it to the finals. What I'm saying is the Pistons are more of a thread to us than the Mavs.
As for the last point, if you look at peoples response to me since my very first thread...it's not me being the asshole. Yes, I want people to like me. You got me there. But overbearing? Making an average of two threads a day, being online for about an hour or two a day viewing the forums...if that's overbearing, what are some of these other posters? I really don't think I'm annoying, I guess I'm in the minority there.
The Pistons are only a threat if we make it past the Mavs. It will be easier to do that with HCA. HCA with the Pistons is out of our control. We blew our chance. If we keep winning, and they keep losing, maybe we get the better record, but it's out of our hands. The Mavs are in our control, because we still have a game left.
What exactly do you want us to do to be concerned about the Pistons? There isn't anything we can do, other than what we are currently doing - trying to win. If your argument is that we have no need to be concerned about the Mavs, that's a different argument. You are confusing two issues.
As for your other point, it doesn't matter that you don't think you are annoying. The people around you do. It might have something more to do with your responses than your thread. I've been here for almost a year, and you've been here a week and already have a third of my post count. So you are showing up a lot. And you are repeating yourself a lot without paying the courtesy of listening to differing opinions. That is overbearing. I don't pay attention to how long you are online. I just know your post count indicates a lot. Further, you get defensive without cause - I've read your posts, man. You snap at Kori a lot, which doesn't go over well, and there is a general tone of sarcasm in a lot of your posts, whether you intend it or not. You havne't earned the right to be condescending yet.
The reality is people are telling you honestly that you are annoying, despite what you think. Telling us you are not annoying either is childish. People on here think I'm a raging feminist. Now anyone who knows me in real life would collapse to the floor in fits of laughter to hear that, because I am SO NOT feminist. But that's the side of me that people see here - I was the primary breadwinner while my husband cooked and did the laundry (still does), and I kept my last name, and am against taking the Pill for birth control. It is what it is. The only way I can change that opinion of me is to continue to post, watch my tone, watch my language and posting choices, limit myself on certain subjects.
The other thing is that GiG, for instance, is an annoying jack ass, but he doesn't care. If you stopped caring so much, people would stop baiting you. You are an easy target. Back off for awhile and *think* about what you post.
As for just jumping in, it's true. I don't really care to observe how peoploe act, than fit in. I'll be myself, try to contribute something...then let the chips fall where they may. You're right, though...it is easy to get a response out of me. I'll stop caring as much.
But it's not without cause. Most the time I get defensive when somebody calls me out as a " ", or a " ing arab" or they repeatedly call me annoying. Mouse, is annoying. I'm just a poster. =(
Btw, I knew a wannabe feminist in high school. Someting about getting pissed when someone offers to open a door for you just rubs me the wrong way. I like to be rubbed, just not the wrong way. Rub me nicely.
Forgot to answer the BBall part of your post...
You're right there isn't anything we can do other than try to win. But still people do focus on the Mavs. My point is, if we are going to focus on anything, and prioritize anything, the Pistions is who we should be scoreboard watching for. Not the Mavs.
Most fans watch both. I know I am more concerned about the Mavs than the Pistons right now because the Mavs are the more immediate threat. They stall us, and we are playing a tough 7 game series against the Clips (a team that hurts us on matchups and has a very veteran leader in Sam Cassell). We beat them, we've secured HCA through the first three rounds of playoffs. Can we win without it? Of course, we did last year. Do we want to have it? Yeah. Duh. Also, playing the Lakers or NO/OK? yeah, I'd rather play the Lakers than the Clippers, and would happily offer up my salary to play No/Ok. That is all irrelevant to a relevant point about actually playing the Mavs in round 2, with or without HCA. The fact is that while I don't think the Mavs are quite there to beat us (assuming our level of play is at least where we are now), they are doing well enough that we can't pencil it down as done and over just yet.
The Pistons are looming there. I check their scores, I listen to what the Pistons fans are saying around here and occasionally tune into a national game. I know where they are at, and I'm hoping where they are at is peaking too soon. But you can't count out the team that's been in the Finals the last two years when they only major personnel change was a coach that was not acting in their best interest.
Most fans are aware of this. Had you been around here longer, you would know that a large number of threads have been devoted to monitoring the progress of these teams and analyzing the matchup.
Most fans believe it's a rematch. But *neither team can be penciled in* at this stage of the game. The Pistons have Miami and Indy, possibly the Nets (thought I think that is a joke) to get around first, and we have the Mavs and the Suns. We're good on the Suns, especially if we win Friday, and especially if Amare doesn't return. So that leaves the Mavs.
But this is all fan based perspective. The Spurs players and coaches are doing what they do, and that is the only thing in their control - win as efficiently as possible and start elevating the game and fine tuning what needs to be fixed. They probably know where things stand with both teams under discussion, but their focus is the game, not the other teams. If the players are obsessed with the other teams, then the other team is in their head screwing with them. The Spurs are more professional than that - at least I hope so.
There are plenty of fans who feel the Mavs are a threat. There is a different feeling about this team this year. It could be a breakout year for them.
If all you are saying is that the Pistons are a tough team to beat and we should check the ESPN crawl to have a sense of the standings, you are right. But the response is that we also need to have an eye on the Mavs.
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