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Jam, I'm impressed. You've come a long way since our days back at p.com.
I don't think whott was expecting this.
You didn't start mentioning "longer careers" in this quote. In a later post, you changed your argument to say that 37, 38 was an average age for a HOF center to end his career. But, in this post, you talk about mid-30s as being your benchmark of "advanced age."
And, I brought up Karl Malone not because he was a hall of famer, but because he was well known for how hard his off-season workouts were and how well he kept his body in tip top shape. I didn't start listing a bunch of hall of fame centers. Notice how I talked how Ben Wallace was a workout junkie ...
And, then in LATER POSTS, you changed your argument of "playing well" into some jibberish about not playing as well as in their prime. Playing well does not have to mean playing the best or having career numbers. All of Tim Duncan's numbers are down this year and he's been bad in some games, but overall Tim Duncan is "playing well" this season.
Seriously, do I have to spell out everything so you can understand where you went wrong?
Again, notice you were the first one who equated not playing early in a career to sucking. My point for a long time now that you felt the need to change what I wrote and what I meant in order for you to stroke your D-Rob inflateable doll.
Hey not-so-smartass...why mention an injury to a player when it doesn't have anything to do with age or wear and tear on the body? What the is your point with 50 year old players currently in the NBA? What 50 year old player did I ing reference? You fumbduck.
Sounds like the beginning of a meltdown. I envision tears running down your face, and lubrication on the palm of your hand preparing for the ass you dream about by some 7-foot-1 Naval officer.
Hey, numbnuts, when would Bruce Bowen or Mark Eaton every going to get a five year deal for major $$$$$???? Not at 18, not at 21, not at 27, not at 32. I mentioned the fact that they were not all stars (except for Eaton ONE season) because they would never get a five year deal for major $$$$$ anyway. It makes your point about them completely and utterly nonsensical.
Would you give Devean George or Jason Collins 5 years and $10 million a year at age 32? No of course not, but you wouldn't give them that deal at if they were 22, 25, or 28 either.
That's why bringing up Bowen and Eaton and asking if they would deserve a 5 year $10 million per year contract makes no sense.
Jam, I'm impressed. You've come a long way since our days back at p.com.
I don't think whott was expecting this.
Clubber Whott: I reject the challenge, 'cause Jam is no challenge, but I'll be happy to beat up on him some more.
JamStaStone: You don't look so bad to me.
I've honestly just read this entire thread.......
And for all the lurkers who enjoy a good conversation:
"STFU Jamb!"
Dude, quality beats quan y. You keep saying the same things. Come up with something that refutes the "but they didn't suck until they were 26" argument and come back.
i respectfully disagree.
I think Whottt is really being owned since Jamstone brought more facts to his arguments.
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Agreed.
Whott seems to be too focused in saying that "Ben sucked in his early years". Which really has nothing to do with the argument. It clouds his main message when he continues to state how much Ben sucked in every other sentence.
Good reading though. Keep it up guys!
Agree too.
I can add that Big Ben will likely sign a 4 years contract (and not a 5 or 6 years contract) this summer because of the over-36 rule.
Honestly, I cant stand when arguments go into the toilet.
This argument was close in the beginning, then it got really one-sided.
whott = pwned
You guys are wrong.
Whott outdueled him.
I didn't hear no bell...
Very true.
I don't think this measure of nba wear and tear is that significant in extending your career, as there are AT LEAST 3 other factors more important in my mind:
1. Luck in avoiding major injuries (which Ben has had)
2. Strength and conditioning work (which Wallace excels at)
3. Actual age
So overall I don't think Ben is in bad shape for the future, but not neccessarily because of lack of wear and tear or whatever.
The bottom line is the Pistons pretty much have to give Wallace whatever he needs to stay in Detroit, and they will. Sure if they give him a 5 year deal he might end up being overpaid the last year or two, but he's been underpaid for the a while, so it all evens out. Most importantly though, there's no way Detroit would sabotage their championship hopes over the next couple of years just to avoid paying a 35 yo Wallace, defensive anchors don't grow on trees...
I once argued with whottt for 10 pages about ing rugby.
Welcome back, mother ing wrestlemania fan!
I once argued with whottt for 10 pages about ing rugby.
Welcome back, mother ing wrestlemania fan!
Did he manage to slip in a David Robinson plus into the argument?
PS. Whottt, we have missed you!!! Especially, when everyone jumped back on the Brent Barry wagon when he started playing good for that 6 game stretch after his near-trade. I thought of you often then...
This thread is just way too funny, but even as a Spurs fan who loved David Robinson like his own brother, I have to give this to JamStone.
But it's lovely seeing Whott at his pissed off best, not even the Black Mamba himself can have this much venom.
Smeagol and 1p1, thanks it's good to be back. Nice av BTW 1p1
Now then...any tool that thinks Jamstone is even coming close to holding his own in this argument is a bigger dumbass than Jamstone himself...
Want some facts?
Fact: Jamstone said that because Ben Wallace didn't get many minutes his first 4 years in the NBA, IE he sucked ass, that somehow he will probably have a longer career because of it...
I asked for proof...
Fact:
His proof was to name a guy that:
A. Didn't suck his first 4 years in the NBA.
B. Had a career altering injury at the age of 31.
C. Didn't play to a particularly old age and
D. Spent the last 2 years of his career battling a severe back condition that caused him to miss large swaths of the season both years...including most of the playoffs one year.
IOW, Drob getting limited mileage early in his career(because he was in the Navy, not because he sucked ass, unlike Ben Wallace) didn't keep him from breaking down unusually young.
That is backing up his argument? That's like asking someone to prove to you the world is round and being handed a frisbee in return.
That's the fact.
His other facts are even more stupid...he doesn't name anyone that sucked his first 4 years in the NBA, as Wallace did...in fact he names one guy that got an assload of minutes in the NBA beginning at age 22...Karl Malone didn't get limited minutes early in his career...he got heavy minutes, because he didn't suck, unlike Ben Wallace.
He then goes on to name Sam Cassell, a guy who, in addition to not sucking his first 4 years in the NBA, unlike Ben Wallace, completely broke down physically in the playoffs, costing his team a finals appearance, at the age of 33.
Jamestone has in no way backed up his point...He's destroyed his own point, it's just that he is too stupid to see it.
He seems to think people are cars...
He seems to be unable to grasp that what separates Ben Wallace from every player he named...is that they didn't suck their 4 years in the NBA, they were actually good relatively quickly, unlike Wallace.
He doesn't seem to understand that a guy can play 1 year in the NBA and if he plays a physical game, in that one season he can get more "miles", or let's just call it bodily wear and tear, on him than some guy that has been a starter for 3 years that plays a non physical game.
He hasn't named anyone that proves his point, he hasn't backed it up in any way, and most of his examples contradict the very point is trying to make, if anything.
People aren't cars...Just because some guy sucked his first 4 years in the league doesn't mean he is going to keep his athleticism longer because he didn't play...that's an incredily stupid point.
What Wallace does, or does not do, has nothing to do with how badly he sucked his 4 years in the NBA, er excuse me, how little he played...he's not a car. He either has the genes to do it, or he doesn't.
Apart from all of that...he is already obviously in decline, he is undersized, and doesn't have much athleticism to begin with...which means he has less to lose...unlike every other player Jamstone named. That's part of the reason why they didn't suck their first 4 years in the NBA, unlike Ben Wallace.
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JamStone (in one of his earliest posts, I believe) unknowingly lights the fuse.
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