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LMAO! not happening.
o people I am a loong time reader, first time poster! I am glad to post for the first time and am looking forward to be apart of this community for a long time! I've been a Spurs fan since the days of mings and Willie Anderson! Not a lot of us here in NY!
I do beleive WE WILL win the championship this year. In the end we will get HCA and will beat the Pistons again in 7. With Duncan starting to slow I think there is one way we can become the greatest dynasty of all time in all sports. We should make a run at aquiring through Free Agency this summer BEN WALLACE. I think with some trades and some freee money cia pop could try to swing it. We would be unstoppable for the next 5 years. Can you say 7-8 championships in 12 years.
Starting 5
PG. Tony Parker (Locked up and young)
SG. Manu Ginobli (Locked up and hitting his prime)
SF. Bruce Bowen (Gets better with age)(will never leave the Spurs)
PF. Tim Duncan (Will slow, but still best PF of all time)
C. Ben Wallace (What can I say he is a spur at heart. Def, Rebs,No Ego)
The bench you let Pop and RC to play with the puzzle adding and subtracting through the years on whatever you need. I beleive we have some great euro picks out there that will also be helping us out in the long run!
What are your thoughts? Is this a possible pick up? Can anybody work out the money to see if it is possible? Ben Wallace says he wants to sign with Pistons, but another loss to the Spurs this summer and I think CIA PoP has his way of convincing people otherwise.
I would love to hear your thoughts. And again I am glad to meet all of you!
LMAO! not happening.
Even if Big Ben goes elsewhere, which doesn't seem likely, there's always a team like the Hawks who will throw max money at a guy.
I doubt he leaves Detroit even if some other team offers him the max.
Welcome Ace! The Spurs might not be able to afford Ben and the Pistons would probably try to do a sign and trade before they let him walk. I doubt they would deal with the Spurs.
ben is going to get the max and the pistons will be screwed in 3 years with his big bloated contract
he has already lost a step
no turnovers for tp
Aside from all of the other points made...Ben Wallace is 32 years old or something like that. That's not exactly the optimum age for a cornerstone of a dynasty.
Nazr is only 28 or 29...
Hi Ace. Welcome to the Forum.
i dont care if we are not label a dynasty for not repeating or 3peat, the spurs are only the consistent team since duncan was drafted.
Actually, Ben Wallace is 31 years old, about a year and a half older than Tim Duncan. And, Ben Wallace did not get regular starter minutes in the league until the 2000-01 season, so it's more like he's in his 7th or 8th season in the league. In face, he has less NBA wear and tear on his body than a guy like Tim Duncan. And, with his conditioning and weight training regiment, he's the type of athlete that could (not guaranteed, but possible) have a longer career than the average player.
But, the other points made are very valid. The Pistons will likely re-sign Ben. And, if they don't, the Spurs would not be able to afford Ben's asking price unless a sign-and-trade happened, and the Pistons would very unlikely do that to help the Spurs. Ben will command at the very least $10 million a year, and likely closer to $13-15 million a year.
The Pistons will probably be strapped in 3-4 years with Ben's contract, but no more than any other team with an aging star, like Jason Kidd, Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, Kenyon Martin, or Ray Allen. I don't think any of those players will be worth what they're making in the last one or two years of their respective contracts. Heck, Shaquille O'Neal will probably not play in the last year of his contract, and the Heat will be paying him $20 million that year. That's a part of NBA business.
What Ben Wallace has given the Pistons at a measley $5-6 million over the last 4 years will be reciprocated in part in the contract they give him this summer. And, in many ways, it will be worth it even if it hurts the team financially for a year or two. Joe Dumars will have some very tough decisions to make trying to keep the financial aspect of the Pistons in good and prudent order. But, he's done a pretty good job so far compared to many NBA GMs.
Oh well ...in that case the Spurs need to go out and sign Ralph Sampson...he only got regular starters minutes for like 3 years, so even though he's in his 60's or something now he'd really only be in his 4th season.
Mark Eaton didn't even get into the league until he was 28... , that means he has 8 years left. Signem up.
As for the rest of your post...Suck Wallace's all you want, but that doesn't change the INarguable fact that 30+ year olds aren't usually viewed as keys to a dynasty...they aren't usually seen as, the future. And if you see Wallace as that...you need better glasses.
Ben Wallace at 35 > Mohammed @ 28
Wow ... I sense a lot of unnecessary anger in that post.
First of all, I wasn't making an argument that Ben Wallace should be the key to a dynasty at 31 years old. I was just saying he has less wear and tear on his body than most 31 year old NBA players. Your extreme analogies of Ralph Sampson and Mark Eaton reak of bitterness, and I don't know where it comes from. Apparently 50+ year old former NBA players are equivalent to a 31 year old NBA player. Is that what you're saying?
Karl Malone was effective well past his early 30s. Ben Wallace is the type of work-out junkie that should be able to compete well into his mid-30s if he so desires. I don't know what is so controversial in that sentiment to you.
I don't think Ben Wallace is a franchise player. And, for the good of the Detroit Pistons franchise, I hope he doesn't sign for much more than $11-12 million a year. But, I'm realistic. He'll probably get a contract in the $12-15 million a year range.
Ben is not a franchise player. He's not a key to a dynasty. I didn't make any of those contentions. You need to seriously kill the hate.
I think it was necessary.
Link to some kind of evidence that having a late start to a career will extend it?First of all, I wasn't making an argument that Ben Wallace should be the key to a dynasty at 31 years old. I was just saying he has less wear and tear on his body than most 31 year old NBA players.
As far as I know...none of the guys known for playing well at an advanced age got late starts to their career...in fact, I can't think of a single guy who played well at an advanced age that got a late start to his career.
It's a meaningless point...
It's called sarcasm...and my extreme analogy is supposed to point out the stupidity of your logic...Your extreme analogies of Ralph Sampson and Mark Eaton reak of bitterness, and I don't know where it comes from. Apparently 50+ year old former NBA players are equivalent to a 31 year old NBA player. Is that what you're saying?
If we were talking about runningbacks you might have a better point...just barely.
Karl Malone also started playing and was effective at 22...unlike Ben Wallace.Karl Malone was effective well past his early 30s.
Well the only guys I see that played at a high level well late into their 30's...aren't guys who sucked until they were 26.Ben Wallace is the type of work-out junkie that should be able to compete well into his mid-30s if he so desires. I don't know what is so controversial in that sentiment to you.
Suck all you like...but what has that got do with whether or not Wallace is the key to shore up a dynasty over the next 5 years?I don't think Ben Wallace is a franchise player. And, for the good of the Detroit Pistons franchise, I hope he doesn't sign for much more than $11-12 million a year. But, I'm realistic. He'll probably get a contract in the $12-15 million a year range.
And he is declining BTW.
Agree.Ben is not a franchise player.
Agree...not for us anyway.He's not a key to a dynasty.
No...you contended that because Wallace effectively sucked until he was @25 years old, that somehow he is going to be a DPOY candidate until he is 45...I didn't make any of those contentions.
And I am asking you for some kind of evidence to back that theory up...Karl Malone and Kareem Abdul Jabbar are not examples you can use...they didn't suck until they were 25.
I don't believe I have ever said I hated anyone or anything during our discourse...I only gave a sarcastic response to someone who nitpicked over a years age and followed that up with a badly made, unprovable, with absolutely no factual basis, point, on why Ben Wallace is immortal.You need to seriously kill the hate.
Ben wallace is a poor man's Dennis Rodman.
I think this is a bit farfetched.
Im referring to Ben Wallace coming to San Antonio.
His loyalties will remain in Detriot.
Whottt,
Perhaps even though you are a Spurs fan, you may not know of a player named DAVID ROBINSON.
LOL!!!
His first year in the NBA was when he was 25 years old because of his tour in the Navy. He played until he was 37-38 year olds. And, he was actually pretty effective until he was about 35-36. He was also in phenomenal condition late in his career because of the way he kept his body in shape.
How's that example for you, Einstein?
I think it's safe to say it's on.DAVID ROBINSON
Oh god, he went there.......
(sits back and waits for War and Peace to unfold)
The Coyote > DRob
Sorry, but I'm not the idiot who didn't even know that one of the greatest players to play for the team I root for started his career late and played well at an advanced age.
Secondly, mentioning David Robinson was in no way an insult. I was offering an example of an NBA player who didn't start playing in the league at 20-22 and still played through his mid-30s. Apparently Whottt doesn't know much about David Robinson.
Trust me, he's typing his response.
It will be finished Tuesday.
You should run a search on whottt's other posts.
Whottt's vehement, articulate, and accurate defenses of David Robinson against any and all criticism are the stuff of legend. I doubt that any poster on this board knows more about David Robinson's NBA career than whottt.
I suspect that you're about to find out just how much whottt knows about the Admiral -- and in no uncertain terms. Proverbially, you've awakend the hornet's nest.
Oh, boy. This is going to be fun.
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