Ben Wallace Refuses to Enter Game

[ducks]

the pistons have a lock to finish with first place
YOU SUSPEND HIM ATLEAST 2 games to teach him a lesson
YOU have to tell your players who is boss
and if ben leaves in fa so be it
ben is NOT with the max anyhow

[Pistons < Spurs]

Carmelo refused to re-enter the game because his teammates questioned his shot selection. Ben refused to re-enter the game because he didn't want to be removed at the time he was.

Which is worse? I will let ya'll decide.

IMO no difference...wrong is wrong.

Carmello was/is judged differently than Ben because of their histories.

[Pistons < Spurs]

will it be him or the coach?

They'll both still be in Detroit.

[1Parker1]

be intersting to see what happends
ben is a fa
will it be him or the coach?

Umm, if they win the championship, I doubt either will remember this. Like I said, I think people are blowing this a little out of proportion. Maybe if it happens again or something I can see it being a real problem. I saw them interview Ben today after the Pacers game and they asked him about it, and he said "I don't think about the past, it's over. I jsut want to get back on track and win games." So it seems like he's already put it behind him.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I doubt either will remember this. Like I said, I think people are blowing this a little out of proportion. .

[ducks]

like someone else said publically they are saying the right things but who knows what they are thinking

they might have but ben might also want win a ring and if he says publically he might want out then that becomes a BIGGER distaction right now to win that ring

[MaNuMaNiAc]

yeah, people might not remember, but the sure as should! a pro player can't start acting like a high school princess just because he feels like it! If he thinks the coach made a bad decision then he should discuss it like a normal, professional adult!! I really don't understand how people might think this kind of behavior is acceptable.

I'm not saying crucify him, I'm saying reprimend him! Bench his sorry ass!!

[Marklar MM]

like someone else said publically they are saying the right things but who knows what they are thinking

they might have but ben might also want win a ring and if he says publically he might want out then that becomes a BIGGER distaction right now to win that ring

...So because Ben wants to win a ring, he will say publically that he wants out of Detroit, causing them to not win the ring?

[FearDaFro]

You'll know Ben is thinking about leaving if he hires an agent.

Otherwise, its very clear that Ben isn't even THINKING about leaving this summer.

[Bruno]

You'll know Ben is thinking about leaving if he hires an agent.

Otherwise, its very clear that Ben isn't even THINKING about leaving this summer.

I can't imagine Ben leaving Detroit like I can't imagine Bruce leaving Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Depends on the lawyer he has.

It's pretty simple to see what kind of offer it will take from another team to get Ben as a free agent.

The max.

Why have an agent take 4% of that?

[scampers]

People are blowing this WAY out of proportion. It's like people are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find reasons why the Pistons suck. Yeah, Ben could of handled it better but like he said, "I learn from my mistakes." Ben and the rest of the Pistons played great today and I think they'll be just fine.

[FearDaFro]

Depends on the lawyer he has.

It's pretty simple to see what kind of offer it will take from another team to get Ben as a free agent.

The max.

Why have an agent take 4% of that?

If it was that simple, a lot of players in the NBA wouldn't have agents.

You hire an agent if you're looking to max your earnings or negotiate a move.

Dumars already has a contract offer for Ben, he just cant legally offer it yet.

All Ben wants to do is understand the wording, which is why he hired the lawyer.

[FearDaFro]

People are blowing this WAY out of proportion. It's like people are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find reasons why the Pistons suck.

Pretty much.

You expected different?

Ben's such a problem he went out and got 22 boards, 3 steals, 2 blocks and 4 assists today.

Yeah, he's having real problems right now, lol.

[ChumpDumper]

If it was that simple, a lot of players in the NBA wouldn't have agents.

You hire an agent if you're looking to max your earnings or negotiate a move.

If the offer would be the max, you don't have to look to max your earnings, do you? Who is Tim Duncan's agent?

Dumars already has a contract offer for Ben, he just cant legally offer it yet.

All Ben wants to do is understand the wording, which is why he hired the lawyer.

Yes, and Stephen Jackson would only play for Popovich.

I have it on tape!

I'm not saying Ben is going to leave, just that nothing is a sure thing.

[anthologyct]

When it comes to my favorite Pistons, Joe Dumars and Ben Wallace are one and one-A. I think both of them carry themselves with a lot of dignity and compe iveness.

I think this is an interesting problem that appears to be developing. This is the third incident that seems out of character for Ben Wallace, and it's not about Big Ben. Joe D has been backing him. This has been about Flip Saunders. I think that in order for Big Ben and Flip to co-exist, the Pistons are going to have to hire a defensive coordinator. There's been a lot of talk about their offense this season, and that's because the emphasis of the coaching staff has changed for the first time in Wallace's career with the Pistons. Even George Irvine was big and would bench guys if they didn't play defense. It's why Billly Owens and John Wallace couldn't get minutes over Mike Curry.

Also, I think that Big Ben and Chauncey respect each other, but they may not like each other a lot. Billups usually refers to Wallace as 'quiet.' Chauncey said we had a 'good season no matter the outcome' of the Pistons-Magic series after game 4 when Detroit was down 3-1. Ben Wallace responded by saying "They can go ahead and think we had a good season. We didn't."

Having a coach that is so close to Chauncey may be causing some problems for Wallace. I'm speculating, but if I had to choose two Pistons that have indicated they are not all that close, although it doesn't ruin their relationship on-the-court, it's probably those two guys.

But when I say that, it's not like I am calling them the next "Kobe-Shaq." Magic and Kareem didn't get along to the tune of 5 championships, eight conference les, and appearing in every conference finals of the 1980s. They can co-exist and respect each other because they are mature human beings who realize you don't always click with everybody on the team.

This is about minutes. Ben Wallace has a Iverson-like at ude towards being off the court. He sprained his ankle in 2001, with the season already deciding the Pistons were eliminated from the playoffs, he played on the injury even when George Irvine ordered him to sit down. It took him six games to come back from an MCL sprain that keeps most guys out 1-3 months. He was pissed off about the appendicitis (sp?) he suffered from in the 2004 offseason because it meant he had to have surgery, something he has tried to avoid. The man doesn't like missing time, and the most of the games he has missed have had to do with deaths in the family. In his time with the Pistons he has missed two games to losing his Grandmother (April, 2001), two games to losing his mother (February, 2003), and four games to losing his oldest brother (November, 2004). He had just come back from that last death when he was suspended six games for pushing Ron Artest.

I guarantee that his reaction was due to Flip managing for the playoffs and not for trying to win the game with Orlando. I guarantee that ontop of the fatigue and stress, that is what set him off.

Let's also remember the contract that Ben Wallace is playing on, one that pays him 5.6 million in guaranteed money, and carrots for blocks and rebounds, defensive player of the years, and team wins. I'm guessing at what the specifics are. But he's a very goal-oriented person, and that cuts down on the monotomy of the season.

That being said, I think Wallace reacted poorly and should be punished accordingly - fines, a mild suspension - whatever the team sees as appropriate.

That's the biggest crock of horse bull I've ever heard in my life ........... Please!

If there were a National Enquirer for Sports, that Bull would lead the front page.

[GrandeDavid]

Maybe this could turn out to be a in their armor. Early sign of locker room cancer? I doubt it, but you never really know when dealing with multi-million dollar pro athletes.

[Dunc]

I don't think this is a big deal. We don't really know the root of it, we don't know it's been dealt with, we don't know how much of McCoskey's story is speculation. It sounds so unlike Ben that I really think there might be more to this than is being revealed. If not, and it is just that Ben got pissed at Flip and the way they've been playing early in games, so be it. Ben ed up. He's not going to be suspended, he's not going to be benched, and it's not going to matter much in the long run. Bottom line, the only reason this is a big story is because it's *so* far out of character for Big Ben, so until we hear something a little more substantial, I'm going to wait to offer and judgement.

[Dunc]

the media is a joke....

Wallace does this and he gets a an excuse ridden story with no hate but when Melo did this one time, the media was all over it and hating on him and questioning his at ude............

no suprise though, the media has double standards with alot of things. I guess they just wanted to make their 'golden boy' Lebron look even better

good to see that Big ben responded with a monster game on the boards

True, I can understand how the Melo thing could be part of a conspiracy to make LeBron look better. Right....

[ChumpDumper]

Well then, Flip is a pussy. You don't let that lie.

[TDMVPDPOY]

ben probaly was scared of darko, thats why he did wanna get back in.

[aaronstampler]

I don't think Ben is a max player. Rodman never got anything approaching the max when he was with the Bulls or us, and the two are pretty similar players. At the moment Ben is the Pistons' 4th best player, and in two years he'll be 5th.

I know points aren't everything and defense is important, but you can't give the max to an offensive liability. Bruce is making like 4 mil for crying out loud.

[ChumpDumper]

Ty Chandler is making $9 million this season to get 5 points per game.

[Darrin]

That's the biggest crock of horse bull I've ever heard in my life ........... Please!

If there were a National Enquirer for Sports, that Bull would lead the front page.

Wow, tell me how you really feel. I didn't pass this off as an authority, just as a guy with an opinion. Watching how the Pistons have responded to certain problems and glossed over them to keep a reputation as a franchise, I was trying to read the tea leaves. Man, why even bring attention to it if it was that bad?

[aaronstampler]

Ty Chandler is making $9 million this season to get 5 points per game.

two wrongs don't make a right Chump.