Simple Questions for the pro-Amnesty crowd

[gtownspur]

Listen buddy.

Illegal immigration needs to be curbed.... It MUST be regulated... i.e. enforced. The problem needs to be addressed. Human exploitation needs to be abolished while trying to balance and meet the demand for unskilled/laborious work.

If you haven't understood that from my posts, then that is your problem.

My problem with your position is that you are basing too much of your argument on the assumption that many the migrant workers are criminals... which is not only inflammatory but incorrect. This supposition hurts any other point you try to make even if and while they are valid concerns. Again, your severely skewed perspective is negating your other arguments from coming out as unbiased views... to the point where hearing 'Let's build a wall' is coming off as 'racial' moreso than the 'security-issue' cover-up you are trying to base it on....

I don't recall Timothy McVeigh being of Mexican descent... or for that matter any of the terrorists.

All the other ifs... and Palestinian references in your post are deemed irrelevant in this light...

Again. I'm not clamoring for the mass deportation of illegal immigrants or for their amnesty.... neither is a pratical option.

Spare me the listen buddy speach. My point is not that most illegal immi's are criminals, but that crime is a symptom of having lax rules on immigration.

WHen have i said that most illegals are criminals? Please stop using emotional hyperbole.

Building a wall is not racist, that is the most laziest assumption ever. Berlin had a wall, did that mean that they were racist? , see how utterly stupid that sounds.

Illegal immigration needs to be outlawed more than regulated. It's legal immigration that needs to be controlled in a fair manner, not the other way around as you put it.

Besides you offer no solution except blanket statements, and jingoistic phrases.


I'd like to hear from you a more comprehensive way of dealing with the problem.

[Phenomanul]

Spare me the listen buddy speach. My point is not that most illegal immi's are criminals, but that crime is a symptom of having lax rules on immigration.

WHen have i said that most illegals are criminals? Please stop using emotional hyperbole.

Building a wall is not racist, that is the most laziest assumption ever. Berlin had a wall, did that mean that they were racist? , see how utterly stupid that sounds.

Illegal immigration needs to be outlawed more than regulated. It's legal immigration that needs to be controlled in a fair manner, not the other way around as you put it.

Besides you offer no solution except blanket statements, and jingoistic phrases.


I'd like to hear from you a more comprehensive way of dealing with the problem.

Spending money to build a wall that would cost billions is a real genius idea....



Whatever... I'm done with you.

[01Snake]

Spending money to build a wall that would cost billions is a real genius idea....



Whatever... I'm done with you.

You're right, lets just say screw it and let them all in.

[Phenomanul]

You're right, lets just say screw it and let them all in.

That's not what I said.... but thanks for twisting my message.

[gtownspur]

Spending money to build a wall that would cost billions is a real genius idea....



Whatever... I'm done with you.

ALot better than tossing abacadabra words around like "we need to regulate", and "enforcement" and expecting illegal immigration to be solved like BEwitched.

[Phenomanul]

ALot better than tossing abacadabra words around like "we need to regulate", and "enforcement" and expecting illegal immigration to be solved like BEwitched.

That just means I recognize that there is a problem (you were assuming that I was advocating for amnesty to be granted to all illegals in this country -- which is an entirely different premise altogether.... And I had to write down in simple english that this was not the case....)

Now you throw the words back at me assuming 1) that I have somehow claimed to know what the best solution is, and 2) that my concern/compassion for immigration plight somehow outweighs and blinds my feelings toward pratical immigration policies....

ONE thing I have claimed.... Building a wall would be a joke.

Let me break it down for you...

Building a wall would cost billions of dollars of taxpayer money....
By the time said project cancelled out the money being taken out of social funds...
Guess what? Immigrants would have figured out how to get across the wall... or how to break that system...
In the end it would be a ridiculous waste of capital... and it would be a mockery to diplomacy.

[gtownspur]

Nobody said a wall alone would curb immigration, but a wall and a healthy number of border patrol could. You dont think a wall would actually make it harder? That's hysterical.

ANd about diplomacy, Mexico clearly has its own corrupt govt to worry about. There's no point in being diplomatic with them on this issue seeing how it benefits them to keep the status qou.

And all the complaining about social funds being tampered, illegals already have their money in that jar.

[word]

This may have already been answered somewhere but, I missed it.

1) Why do some Mexicans immigrate illegally while other Mexicans adhere to the formal, legal, and proscribed process for gaining entry, securing visas, or becoming a naturalized citizen of the United States.

2) How can you advocate granting citizenship en-masse without considering there are criminals that have crossed the border to do this country harm? 15,000 illegal Mexican aliens (who committed crimes other than just being here illegally) sit in California prisons now. There is evidence the drug cartels and Mexican gangs are starting to communicate and cooperate with terrorist organizations.

Just curious how the pro-amnesty crowd feels on these two questions.

One word. Sicilian mafia. Actually that's two but ...what else is new ? A certain % of immigrants are gonna be dirt bags. Just like a certain % of PEOPLE are gonna be dirt bags. There's also a bunch of dirt bags from eastern Europe that have immigrated in lately. Just like there a bunch of criminals from Ireland that immigrated in during the 1800's. Australia was built by criminals.

What always gets me about immigration is somehow we feel this need that we HAVE to allow it or that we need it. Ever since the Frogs gave us that statue we somehow feel it's something we HAVE to do. Now 50% of people in NYC were not born in the US. 50% !!!

Some people actually think allowing immigration, legal or illegal, is part of our cons ution. It's not. A nation of immigrants, yes, but that was then, this is now. Again, the Irish immigrants of the 1860's got off the boat and were sent off to fight the civil war IMMEDIATLEY, often times getting off the boat from Ireland and put right back on a boat to Charleston the same fockin' day.

I have no problem with immigration per se and there is nothing in the US Cons ution that says America has to be majority white European or majority any other race. However, turning a blind eye to the law simply to gain political power is not right either.