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1. many are here illegally while still filing the necessary paperwork to become legal.. it is not as easy at signing up for a new username at spurstalk to become legal.
2. not sure of their crimes. can't comment on them...
This may have already been answered somewhere but, I missed it.
1) Why do some Mexicans immigrate illegally while other Mexicans adhere to the formal, legal, and proscribed process for gaining entry, securing visas, or becoming a naturalized citizen of the United States.
2) How can you advocate granting citizenship en-masse without considering there are criminals that have crossed the border to do this country harm? 15,000 illegal Mexican aliens (who committed crimes other than just being here illegally) sit in California prisons now. There is evidence the drug cartels and Mexican gangs are starting to communicate and cooperate with terrorist organizations.
Just curious how the pro-amnesty crowd feels on these two questions.
1. many are here illegally while still filing the necessary paperwork to become legal.. it is not as easy at signing up for a new username at spurstalk to become legal.
2. not sure of their crimes. can't comment on them...
1. What he said.
2. Unless you're a citizen, you can be deported for a conviction. There's a system already in place for dealing with criminals from other countries.
Most are not. And, that still doesn't explain why some are willing to wait out the process and others are not.
They vary from minor offenses to capital murder.
Robbery is a crime people commit for money.
That's why illegal immigration is a crime. It cheats those who are working within the system to gain citizenship or legal work status out of money. Some of the most vocal opponents to the current crop of immigration protesters are those who worked hard to gain the right to be a U.S. Citizen -- particularly those who immigrated from Mexico legally.
It also cheats the host nation out of knowing who the is roaming their streets -- regardless of their intentions.
Also, those who come here illegally feel less obligated to uphold the ideals of America that drew those who chose to immigrate here legally in the first place. (hence all the Mexican flags at these protests and all the "re-conquistador" crap). If these people got what they wanted, they'd be like Mexico in about 5 years.
Finally, where does it stop and which nationality of people -- if any -- should be subject to the immigration laws?
CUBA, anyone?
You can draw your distincitions between right and wrong as far as illegal immigrants are concerned and its very easy when you're not the one living in a 3rd world country with a very easy way to make more for your family just to your north. Its really ing easy to play armchair quaterback when you're not the one who is living in a hole.
That's a common excuse for many crimes. What you're failing to acknowledge is that their crime of illegal immigration makes it more difficult for those who are here legally to find jobs and to assimilate.
What about the people who choose to immigrate legally? they're coming from the same "3rd world country," the same " hole;" yet, they play by the rules.
Sorry, I don't feel sorry for the dude that robs a bank to buy formula for his baby either.
What about the guy who steals baby formula to feed his baby?
Why are do we even have to ask such questions?
They are here ILLEGALLY!! I'm all for following the law to become a legal resident of the US but if not than you need to have your ass deported.
If Americans want to blame someone for this problem they have no further to look than the mirror. America has sat by knowing full well what was going on and it hasn't even made a token effort to stop it. And now, in a post 9/11 world they are fearful of open borders and are now trying to address a problem that has been on going for decades.
When you fall asleep at the wheel, don't try to make the people who are breaking your laws take some kind of introspective look into what they are doing and how it theoreticaly harms the average American person (which is complete bull either way).
I'll tell you right now that if I was in Mexico and could make more money here to support my family, I would do it in a heartbeat; American laws be damned.
I don't think outright citizenship is what many of these people really want in the end. I believe they want a chance to work but they don't require citizenship. How in the do any of you expect them to grasp onto the American flag when they are outsiders in this country? All of the uproar over the native flags they wave is silly. That is the only thing they can identifiy with!
There's also so much bull about assimilation flying around. These people don't conform blah blah blah. Since when has conformity ever been a something we value in America? People are always xenophobic and you can try to masquerade it through different ways but it always boils down to the same damn thing.
Fix the damn border, let the people here stay in some legal form, and implement a guest worker program.
Everything is all moot unless you fix the border however. Trying to make them felons is idiotic as . But hey, Joe Republican Rep can show that he's DOING SOMETHING.
Excuse or cause? As I said, the lines between right and wrong become a lot more blurry when you're in that situation. You can keep up your hardline stance, but in the real world things are different.
People who chose to immigrate legally are usually qualified workers who are not suffering in their own countries like the indo entados suffer.
Your analogy is flawed.
NOBODY can prove that statement you just made, and beleive me people have tried. It is not a fact it is a myth.
There is no such thing anymore. The US has closed its doors as far as immigrating LEGALLY. This is why the only option is ILLEGALLY.
Don't worry, Yoni, I'm on it. LINK???!!!???
Excuse. It's only a cause when everyone so situated takes the same course of action.
In this country? It's a crime. There is so much public assistance, there is no excuse for a baby to go without formula.
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I'm going to remember that. Oh, I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo going to remember that.
Illegal immigration has generally been ignored because ignoring it has been good for business. Until Congress makes felons out of the businesses and people that hire them and ensures enforcement, talking about it is only so much hot air.
It's like I told people before,
'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.'
God Bless America
easy
There are currently very limited ways to immigrate to this country legally. One is to find a job here and get sponsored, another is the green card/visa lotteries and another is to marry an american citizen. As you can see a poor 3rd world country citizens(not only mexican) cannot in any way do either of the above 3 things. So the very desperate ones risk everything and come in here illegally. Easy no?
The gangs are a product of DRUGS and is in no way associated with illegal immigation. In other words, if illegal immigration were nonexistend, there would still be gangs that operate across borders. Nobody is advocating citizenship to the criminals. They should be either deported or remain in prison. This has been explicitly stated in the protests.2) How can you advocate granting citizenship en-masse without considering there are criminals that have crossed the border to do this country harm? 15,000 illegal Mexican aliens (who committed crimes other than just being here illegally) sit in California prisons now. There is evidence the drug cartels and Mexican gangs are starting to communicate and cooperate with terrorist organizations.
Just curious how the pro-amnesty crowd feels on these two questions.
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