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Anyway the joke is you are treating Ian like a #1.
how come then if the lottery is fixed bulls never got the number one pick
Anyway the joke is you are treating Ian like a #1.
Yes they used to have video of it. It was a seperate event. They had little tables or chairs where each team sat with a GM or something. a ball machine that the took balls out of with a team logo on it.
Now why woudl NBA and the networks decide to take an event away that got raitings and advertisors. we have that stupid thing on tv callad nba nation before a finals. and you think the NBA would want to throw away money they made by airing another event.
Just because one event is rigged doens't mean they all are. Keep in mind there are only some many good draft years.
Not everyone can be a superstar. ALso some times people don't know who is a good player and go later in a draft. Just because they turn out later to be good or devlop later.
But Certain ref units are chossen certain nights And they don;t annouce that until right before the game
I mean if it is no big deal why not annouce it before the series starts
Did it?Now why woudl NBA and the networks decide to take an event away that got raitings and advertisors.Only when it is convenient for conspiracists.Just because one event is rigged doens't mean they all are.Why do you follow a so obviously fixed sport?But Certain ref units are chossen certain nights And they don;t annouce that until right before the game
I mean if it is no big deal why not annouce it before the series starts
Because I am a san antonio spur and dallas cow fan
Grew up one always will be one
people switch parnters people can switch poltical parties
but a true fan never switches teams
WHat about the scandal were suns? got caught and their draft picks were taken away
Remember where boozer team said they had an "agreement" he woudl sign with them
Well Either the team LIVED or they had an ILLEGAL agreement
oh that wouldn;t be fixing now would it.
Tim wouldn;t be talking to Kidd during the allstar game gauaging if he woudl want to be a spur
My understanding of the current 14-team lottery process makes it pretty confusing for the average TV viewer. Fans have to remember all the possible four-number combinations that correspond to their team?
Riveting television.
They give certian teams so many balls. all Balls are thrown into one of the Texas lotto type machines.
A ball is pulled out Whatever logo it is wins lottery.
that teams balls can no longer be drawn again.
If say mavs ball is drawn but the team actual holding that pick is Cavs.. than cavs will ofcourse latter be awared that pick.
That was how the system worked. Sure there was probaly more procduers to it But then again I am no expert on what they did.
No!!!
Your understanding of today's lotto process is sorely lacking.
I suggest you google.
The point was they changed the process. Now why woudl they change the process
to make it easier to fix maybe?
I mean stick to what works right
Are you saying that using the same process that state lotteries use was to "unfair" if fairly operated them some back room 4 number combination method
To make it more weighted towards teams with worse records.to make it easier to fix maybe?Yeah, like the first lotto when the worst team got the worst pick, or when Orlando got two #1s in a row, the second time being when they had the best record in the lottery.I mean stick to what works rightI couldn't say that if I tried. Get back to me in English next time.Are you saying that using the same process that state lotteries use was to "unfair" if fairly operated them some back room 4 number combination method
That's why it's a LOTTERY.
So you are saying it wasn't actually random?
I'm saying you're a dumbass if you can't understand what I said right above that.
Chump You said
"The NBA didn't liek the results", :It was too random teams were actual getting picks they didn;t want them to have. SO the nba decided lets change it so we have a system where the teams we want to get picks actual get them!
its fair because the NBA says it is the teams that are "suposed" to get them. Insted of the team that won the lottery.
If we just gave the picks to the teams that had worst record we have teams tanking to get picks.
Nah. They just weighted it more to the worse teams, which also made it TV unfriendly. It's too bad writers have sat in on the lotto, or your little foil-hat crap might have legs.SO the nba decided lets change it so we have a system where the teams we want to get picks actual get them!No , that's why there is a lottery. They've just been tweaking it since.If we just gave the picks to the teams that had worst record we have teams tanking to get picks.
Darko will dominate the NBA. The Pistons blew it.
Not a chance. Don't get me wrong, LeBron is a GREAT player to build a franchise around. He can do it all.
But considering the Spurs makeup, it'd be insane to do that. You'd lose several years before you could build a team that could be a championship contender around LeBron, and by then he'll be in just about the same place Duncan is in his carreer. Much better idea to just ride out Duncan for another 3-5 years of dominance and then worry about rebuilding the team.
It seems as though you are suggesting that they switched from drawing balls w/ team logo to drawing combination in order to better align picks with team crappiness.
Well there you go. Still random, but weighted.
But that's not nearly as interesting as a conspiracy, so there must be something wrong with that explanation.
ing no.
Tim has a good 5-8 more years in him. Unlike Shaq, he CAN play into old age.
I guess we can agree on that the new motto for the NBA shoudl change from I love this game to "its random, but weighted"
Ofcourse since teams with worse records had more balls in the lotto machine it was weighted too.
Not as much. That's the whole point.
Have a tinfoil hat party with Flash Gordon.
You're an even bigger idiot than you've shown when you stick to the NBA if you think it's fixed.
Just for the benfit of other people reading this thread thought I woudl share this info from wikipedia
NBA Draft Lottery
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The NBA Draft Lottery is an annual event selecting the top three picks of the following NBA Draft. First established in 1985, it was at first a chance drawing for all first-round picks, with all non-playoff teams (in 1985 there were seven non-playoff teams in the National Basketball Association) having equal chance of landing the number one pick. The New York Knicks won the lottery in 1985 and made Patrick Ewing the number one pick.
Some in the NBA were concerned about results when the worst team, the Golden State Warriors, drew the seventh and final lottery draft position. Also, controversy over the envelope of the New York Knicks also developed.
In 1986, many lottery teams had traded their first-round draft picks, and as a result, the top two teams in the Draft Lottery were playoff teams, with the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics picking second, a pick (the late Len Bias) which would eventually haunt the franchise. The Philadelphia 76ers, who won the lottery on the draw from a trade with the then-San Diego Clippers in the late 1970s where the Clippers picked up Joe Bryant in return for the 1986 first-round pick, traded it to Cleveland afterwards.
Thus began a rule change beginning in 1987 when only the top three picks would be selected by the traditional lottery, again with the same policy.
In 1990, however, the NBA changed the format of the lottery to give the worst team the most chances of landing the top pick. For the 11 non-playoff teams that season, the team with the worst record would have 11 chances, the second worse would have 10, etc. However, the Orlando Magic defied the odds by gaining two number one picks consecutively, despite the fact that they were the best non-playoff team the second year.
Thus, beginning with the 1995 lottery the chances were weighed even more, so that the best non-playoff team would only have a slim (0.5%) chance of receiving the top pick.
Thus, the term "lottery pick" in the NBA usually denotes a pick in the first fourteen and developed the reference of "lottery" to non-playoff teams in any sport.
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* 1 Process
* 2 Lottery ceremony
* 3 See also
* 4 External links
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Process
Fourteen ping pong balls numbered 1-14 are placed in a standard lottery machine and four balls are drawn at random to determine the winner. Just as in most traditional lotteries, the order of the numbers are not important, so although there are 24 different orders of the same four numbers being drawn, all are treated as the same combination. That is, 1-2-3-4 is considered to be the same as 3-4-2-1. By eliminating the importance of the order of the numbers, the 24,024 (14x13x12x11) sequences are reduced to 1,001 sets. Of these 1,000 are divided among all the non-playoff NBA teams. The one combination not assigned is 11-12-13-14, which has never been drawn.
In the event a lottery pick is traded to another team, the record of the original team (whose pick it was before the trade) matters.
As of 2005, with 30 NBA teams, 16 qualify for the playoffs and the remaining 14 teams are entered in the draft lottery. These 14 teams are ranked in reverse order of their regular season record and are assigned the following number of chances:
1. 250 combinations, 25% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2. 199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3. 156 combinations, 15.6% chance
4. 119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5. 88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6. 63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7. 43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8. 28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9. 17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10. 11 combinations, 1.1% chance
11. 8 combinations, 0.8% chance
12. 7 combinations, 0.7% chance
13. 6 combinations, 0.6% chance
14. 5 combinations, 0.5% chance
In the event of a tie, a simple tiebreaker (usually a coin flip) is performed to determine which team gets the better position. The combinations for the spots in question are split evenly among the tied teams with any extra pick given to the winner of the tiebreaker.
The lottery is conducted with witnesses verifying that all 14 balls are represented once as they are placed in the lottery machine. The balls are placed in the machine for 20 seconds to randomize prior to having the first ball drawn. The remaining three balls are drawn at 10 second intervals. NBA League Officials determine which team holds the winning combination and that franchise is awarded the #1 overall draft pick. The four balls are returned to the machine and the process is repeated to determine the second and third picks. In the event that a combination belongs to a team that has already won its pick (or if the 1 unassigned combination comes up), the round is repeated until a unique winner is determined. When the first three teams have been determined, the remaining picks are given out based on regular season record with the worst teams getting the highest picks. This assures each team that it can drop no more than 3 spots from its projected draft position.
In the case where a lottery team trades its pick to a playoff team, the playoff team assumes the lottery team's position in all draft lottery situations.
For the 2006 NBA Draft, the NBA determined tie breakers on April 21st.
The odds for each team to get specific picks in the 2006 lottery (rounded to 3 decimal places):
Team Chances 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th
Blazers 250 .250 .215 .177 .358
Bulls (from Knicks) 199 .199 .188 .171 .319 .124
Bobcats 138 .138 .142 .145 .238 .290 .045
Hawks 137 .137 .142 .145 .085 .323 .156 .013
Raptors 88 .088 .096 .106 .262 .359 .084 .004
Timberwolves 53 .053 .060 .070 .440 .330 .045 .001
Celtics 53 .053 .060 .070 .573 .226 .018 .000
Rockets 23 .023 .027 .032 .725 .184 .009 .000
Warriors 22 .022 .026 .031 .797 .121 .004 .000
Sonics 11 .011 .013 .016 .870 .089 .002 .000
Magic 8 .008 .009 .012 .908 .063 .001 .000
Hornets 7 .007 .008 .010 .935 .039 .000
76ers 6 .006 .007 .009 .960 .018
Jazz 5 .005 .006 .007 .982
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Lottery ceremony
The actual lottery (the draw of the ping-pong balls) is conducted in private, though observed by independent auditors. The results are subsequently presented in a short ceremony (typically broadcast live during the halftime of an NBA playoff game), in which the order of the lottery is announced in reverse order, from 14 down to 1. Representatives from each NBA franchise with a lottery pick, typically a general manager or other team executive, are present at the lottery ceremony. At the ceremony, it is often the case that the team who wins the number one pick will, if there is a consensus best player in the draft (or the team has decided whom to select), will then unveil a team uniform with that player's name on it. In 1989, the lottery-winning Sacramento Kings made light of this tradition by unveiling a Kings' uniform with a question mark on it, as there was no clear-cut #1 pick that year. (The Kings eventually selected Pervis Ellison).
It is a common cliche in the NBA that a team which fails to qualify for the playoffs (or is on track to do so) is "playing for ping-pong balls".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery
How bout Duncan for LeBron and Big Z?
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