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    I think that your comebacks are getting a little repe ious, you should come up with a new one
    Not until you prove otherwise.

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    Not until you prove otherwise.
    That's a good one, you can use that for many topics, its very versatile ... good work coming up with it.

    Honestly, I am not TDs doctor ... I don't know how much it slowed him .... His stats would indicate that it didn't slow him at all though ... Do you want me to post his numbers vs the Mavs and show you just how well he played? Just how far above anything he did in the regular season? Would that prove that his play was not slowed?

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    No, if you knew anything about his injury, you wouldn't even be bringing it up now.

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    PG:Parker,Udrih,Vaughn
    SG:Ginobili,Barry,
    SF:Bowen,Finley,Williams,
    PF:Bonner,*Butler,Horry
    C: Duncan,*Elson,Oberto
    That roster sucks.

    But I don't think Bonner would ever start at PF ... that would be Tim. If Butler and Elson are signed, then Elson might start in the beginning of the season at center but I'd hope Butler would take over quick at that spot.

    Also I don't think Barry or Williams will be here to start the season, so their might be other options.

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    All healthy Duncan + Manu + Bowen + Parker + Finley + Barry
    sounds pretty good.

    If that's the same come next playoffs we have a good chance

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    My thoughts are Elson is here almost exclusively to start at center for a while, then fade away and come off the bench to let Butler take over. I believe he's on a 2-yr contract. They must expect to trade him away next summer coupled with another expiring (Oberto/Barry). It's a one-year rental.

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    No, if you knew anything about his injury,
    OUCH, I guess were back to the old comeback .

    I didn't bring up his injury ... someone else did ... I brought up Parkers injury ... on a different thread.

    Overall, I am just sick of every player claiming injury or sickness before games and then playing like they have no such thing wrong with them.

    I call it Jordan-itus. They all want to be like Mike and play well with the flu ... or whatever to show their greatness (or want to be greatness as the case maybe)

    I go to work reguardness of any pain that I may have, If I am hurt to the point that I cannot do something, I tell someone to get reduced duties. I don't claim sickness then go out and do the best job or my career.

    If I am going to do my best, then that is what I do, reguardless of pain.

    Now to TDs sake, he didn't claim injury (TV did it for him) and he went out and played through it, and played out of his mind.

    For that series he put the pain behind him, and played great. Now the question is this "Can he play any better then what he did while ignoring the pain vs the Mavs?" because 35-15 is more then MVP numbers, its more the Hall of Fame numbers

    I don't think that he can do it all season .... not even close. He played that well and the Spurs lost .... He played that well, and the Spurs were a tip-in away from going out 4-1

    Just how good does he have to be?

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    Jesus, you don't even know what it was, do you?

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    Just how good does he have to be?
    Good enough to win 16 playoff games.

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    Also I don't think Barry or Williams will be here to start the season, so their might be other options.
    Williams has value (expiring contract) Barry on the other hand is dead money, next year his contract will be expiring, then he will have value

    All healthy Duncan + Manu + Bowen + Parker + Finley + Barry
    sounds pretty good.
    All healthy ... I agree, I don't think its very likely though

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    Jesus, you don't even know what it was, do you?
    Truth be told, I have no idea how to spell it .... not even good enough to give "spell checker" a shot.

    Good enough to win 16 playoff games.
    So better then what he did vs the Mavs? That's not realistic. The rest of the team has to play better ... and that the part that is not being improved during this off-season.

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    I'm moderately surprised that Mav fan hasn't turned to the old player-by-player comparison to further delude himself that he has nothing to worry about.

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    So better then what he did vs the Mavs? That's not realistic. The rest of the team has to play better ... and that the part that is not being improved during this off-season.
    Yes, you're right. The Spurs have no chance at all in 2006-07 unless Tim Duncan averages 50 and 25.



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    I'm moderately surprised that Mav fan hasn't turned to the old player-by-player comparison to further delude himself that he has nothing to worry about.
    Is that a poster here (Mavs fan) or is that directed at me?

    If toward me, I will respond

    Player-by-player is fun (and would favor the Mavs ) but really I am B-ball fan that would like all Texas teams to do well, I live in the Dallas area so they are my favorate, but I hold no hard feeling for anyother team.

    As for worry ... Amare returning to the Suns worries me (just a little). The Spurs worry me (They have a lot of heart and a young core ... just an old bench ) Possible injury to Dirk and one other Mavs starter worries me (always possible)

    Other then that ... I don't worry much about the Mavs ... they are fine.

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    Yes, you're right. The Spurs have no chance at all in 2006-07 unless Tim Duncan averages 50 and 25.

    If you're trying to spark posting by presenting nothing by asinine takes, you're succeeding.
    I didn't post that ... you did.

    I said that the rest of the team has to play better because Duncan is not realistcaly going to get MASSIVE numbers in every game.

    Parker has to play better, Manu has to play better (and smarter) and the bench (what little there is of it) has to play better, better would be to find that player that slipped under the radar (like Diaw with the Suns)

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    hey guys, as a ny'er who has seen Butler play many times, there is a lot of upside there. A few games he looked t absolutely terrific, other games he didn't get many touches. The Knick announcers would always comment that he was a work in progress with a lot of upside potential(they also mentioned how the uneven line-ups hurt him). He is also a great leaper, I really like him, young and athletic.

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    why do we need all stars at every position? Miami won this year with 2 great studs (really one great player one used to be great but still very good player) and a bunch of roll players like the lakers did in 2000-2002. We just need Bonner, Butler, Elson, Finley, Bruce and Horry to fill roles and let Tim, Manu and Tony be the studs.

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    He is also a great leaper, I really like him, young and athletic.
    I wonder how much of the announcer speak is company line.

    If this is true then it sounds as though he maybe a Diop type player for the Spurs .... which is good, no matter what you all think of Diop

    I am not sure that they can trust someone like that from the get go, but really, they have no choice.

    For the record the scout report I saw on him said the same things but also said that he was foul prone ... nothing new there for a young player. I do worry that the Spurs depth at the position is not well suited for "foul prone"

    Maybe he will learn more under Pop then Brown, who knows?

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    He's light years ahead of Diop offensively, but that's not saying much. He can be foul prone. Won't be the blocker Diop is.

    If they're both here, Elson will start and with any luck, Butler will develop and replace him.

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    He's light years ahead of Diop offensively, but that's not saying much. He can be foul prone. Won't be the blocker Diop is.

    If they're both here, Elson will start and with any luck, Butler will develop and replace him.
    agreed, but he can bring instant energy around the offensive net. Many times he appeared out of nowhere to slam home a rebound.

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    why do we need all stars at every position? Miami won this year with 2 great studs (really one great player one used to be great but still very good player) and a bunch of roll players like the lakers did in 2000-2002. We just need Bonner, Butler, Elson, Finley, Bruce and Horry to fill roles and let Tim, Manu and Tony be the studs.
    Good point, the problem is that Finely, Bruce and Horry (And Williams, Barry and Oberto) are alot closer to the end of their careers the the middle of their careers.

    Older = more likely to be injured

    Horry and Barry are about done as it is. You need a bench player to step up and make a key play ... if not Finley, then who?

    If there is an injury to Manu or Bowen and they miss time (likely with Manu, not so much with Bowen) and Finley moves in to start ... the bench then has nothing.

    This team as-is has only Finley on the bench .. that is not enough for a championship team

    Udrih, Vaughn, Finley, Williams, Horry, Barry

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    He's light years ahead of Diop offensively, but that's not saying much. He can be foul prone. Won't be the blocker Diop is.

    If they're both here, Elson will start and with any luck, Butler will develop and replace him.
    I'm light years ahead of Diop offensively and I'm old & short He's only good for 1-2 tip ins a game (and maybe 1-2 at the free throw line). He'll never amount to much on the offensive end. Now, MBenga has some offensive upside. He can hit a 12-15 jumpshot at a good %.

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    This team as-is has only Finley on the bench .. that is not enough for a championship team
    Gee, we didn't even have him when we won the championship the season before....

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    chumpdumper should hook us up with some good inside information i saiddd

    talk to your inside scoops over on spurs report
    we keep talking in circles

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