50 Greatest Players revised, and ordered

[MrChug]

Things that stand out? Olajuwon as ty as #16. The Big O behind Bob Pet and Heinsohn/Gary Payton anywhere on that in list.

[ShoogarBear]

This is a good take...you pretty much owned Shoogar with it...however it's still not good enough to take away your previous bad one concerning the Admiral VS Malone.

Just be sure you remember that when DRob got a second Superstar he finished his career on like a 20 game winning streak against Malone(and Duncan never beat Malone in the playoffs either).

Yeah, right. Bull . Stockton was as dirty as they ever have come, kneeing people in the groin as he set picks. Just because he's a little white guy, though, he's "tough" and "gritty", while Malone is a thug. Okay.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Yeah, right. Bull . Stockton was as dirty as they ever have come, kneeing people in the groin as he set picks. Just because he's a little white guy, though, he's "tough" and "gritty", while Malone is a thug. Okay.

I think it's more because Stockton is 'little' rather than the 'white' part.

If you're bigger than the other kids and you push them around you're a bully and hated. If you're smaller and you act the same way you're either a fighter or a scrapper and admired for it.

[mikejones99]

no ing mavericks at least

[ShoogarBear]

I think it's more because Stockton is 'little' rather than the 'white' part.

If you're bigger than the other kids and you push them around you're a bully and hated. If you're smaller and you act the same way you're either a fighter or a scrapper and admired for it.

The "white" part was just a figure of speech. But I agree: The only reason Stockton didn't hurt anybody is because he wasn't big enough to.

[G0D]

if Paul Arizin is on that list, Brent Barry should be on it too. i've watched every minute of every game of both these players. they are the exact same. the difference is Barry is going against people who can leap out of the gym and can run sub-5 forties. while Paul Arizin was competing against 30 yr old out of shape men who played before the forward pass was even invented

[ShoogarBear]

^

[G0D]

seriously think about it. if Baron Davis played in that time frame instead of Bob Cousy, he'd be a legend. , Devin Harris would be on this list if he played in the 50's.

[mabber]

seriously think about it. if Baron Davis played in that time frame instead of Bob Cousy, he'd be a legend. , Devin Harris would be on this list if he played in the 50's.

Not necessarily. Cousy was a great player. Just because he played closer to the floor than most of the current players doesn't make them as good or better. The game has changed because the players are more athletic now but that certainly doesn't mean they're better basketball players.

I'd take Bob Cousy over Baron Davis or Devin Harris everytime.

[Obstructed_View]

A two time champion...with lesser talent.

And Malone blatantly did choke way one of his le chances, right in front of the whole world.

Tim Duncan is lesser talent? You need your ing head examined.

[Leetonidas]

Tim Duncan is lesser talent? You need your ing head examined.

He said two time champ, so I'm pretty sure he was reffering to the post when someone said "if Karl Malone is a choke artist, what is David Robinson" or something like that.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, right. Bull . Stockton was as dirty as they ever have come, kneeing people in the groin as he set picks. Just because he's a little white guy, though, he's "tough" and "gritty", while Malone is a thug. Okay.

Name one time that Stockton has intentionally hurt or injured, or even got in a fight for attempting to injure someone in a game. Then when you find ten more similar examples of same then come in here and compare him to Malone. Otherwise shut up because the argument couldn't be more lame. Malone is BY FAR the dirtiest player in the history of the NBA, and nobody else comes close. Don't throw Stockton under the bus for playing hard because he happened to be Malone's teammate.

[Obstructed_View]

He said two time champ, so I'm pretty sure he was reffering to the post when someone said "if Karl Malone is a choke artist, what is David Robinson" or something like that.

Right. I'm the one that said that. David Robinson was a two time champ with Tim Duncan. Before that he was a guy that lost in the playoffs to underdogs almost every single year. I don't like the Mailman, but if you call Malone a choker, you have to call Robinson a choker. That's all I'm saying.

[G0D]

Not necessarily. Cousy was a great player. Just because he played closer to the floor than most of the current players doesn't make them as good or better. The game has changed because the players are more athletic now but that certainly doesn't mean they're better basketball players.

I'd take Bob Cousy over Baron Davis or Devin Harris everytime.

i'd take Baron Davis in a heartbeat. i didnt say Harris was better, just that he'd be on the list

[mabber]

i'd take Baron Davis in a heartbeat. i didnt say Harris was better, just that he'd be on the list

Cousy & I would be winning championships while you & Davis would be trying to win the lottery.

[Leetonidas]

Right. I'm the one that said that. David Robinson was a two time champ with Tim Duncan. Before that he was a guy that lost in the playoffs to underdogs almost every single year. I don't like the Mailman, but if you call Malone a choker, you have to call Robinson a choker. That's all I'm saying.

You could also make an arguement that Malone was a bigger choker because David didn't have one of the best PGs ever.

[G0D]

Cousy & I would be winning championships while you & Davis would be trying to win the lottery.

sorry you must not know who i am.. i never lose

[Obstructed_View]

You could also make an arguement that Malone was a bigger choker because David didn't have one of the best PGs ever.

Yes you could, but you can't make a case that one is a choker and that the other one isn't. That was my only point.

[Obstructed_View]

sorry you must not know who i am.. i never lose

You spell words with numbers. Shut up already.

[Phenomanul]

Yes you could, but you can't make a case that one is a choker and that the other one isn't. That was my only point.

One can...

Robinson cannot be credited with a gaffe like Malone's 1998 Game 6 moment.

Sure, Barkley scored a winning jumper over him...
And Dream made him look like a lampost...

But they were simply a matter of offense beating defense.

Malone had the opportunity to win the game just by holding on to the ball. And what did he do? Cough it up to the player who unfortunately was selected to top that list... not to mention miss the free throw that would have kept them out of reach.

Manu has gaffes to his credit too... but plenty of clutch shots, or plays (steals, rebounds, free-throws, or deflections) to be considered a clutch player as a whole.

[mabber]

One can...

Robinson cannot be credited with a gaffe like Malone's 1998 Game 6 moment.

Sure, Barkley scored a winning jumper over him...
And Dream made him look like a lampost...

But they were simply a matter of offense beating defense.

Malone had the opportunity to win the game just by holding on to the ball. And what did he do? Cough it up to the player who unfortunately was selected to top that list... not to mention miss the free throw that would have kept them out of reach.

Manu has gaffes to his credit too... but plenty of clutch shots, or plays (steals, rebounds, free-throws, or deflections) to be considered a clutch player as a whole.

What does Ginobli have to do with this discussion?

[Obstructed_View]

One can...

Robinson cannot be credited with a gaffe like Malone's 1998 Game 6 moment.

Sure, Barkley scored a winning jumper over him...
And Dream made him look like a lampost...

But they were simply a matter of offense beating defense.

Malone had the opportunity to win the game just by holding on to the ball. And what did he do? Cough it up to the player who unfortunately was selected to top that list... not to mention miss the free throw that would have kept them out of reach.

Manu has gaffes to his credit too... but plenty of clutch shots, or plays (steals, rebounds, free-throws, or deflections) to be considered a clutch player as a whole.

I never said one couldn't make a lame argument. You have certainly proven that.

[Phenomanul]

What does Ginobli have to do with this discussion?

Just thought I would mention the difference in commiting gaffes... and having a tendency to do them... and how all of that relates to a players' clutch/choker reputation... Ginobili is definitely clutch.

[Phenomanul]

I never said one couldn't make a lame argument. You have certainly proven that.

'Lame or not' you are certainly en led to your opinion... but hey... it certainly beat your substance-less rebuttal (my opinion)....

Malone is a choker. Ended his career as a loser.

Robinson is a champion... and ended his career on top.

[resistanze]

I wouldn't really call being robbed of the ball by the greastest player in the history of the NBA (as well as 2nd all time in STEALS) choking. He did miss some key FTs in both Finals, though.