wrong. bud adams wanted vy....stop wasting my time.Yeah, wanted him sooooooo much they picked a better QB in VY.
Maybe someone needs to brush up on the reason(s) a player is drafted by a team.
Hmmmmmm, let me guess..... Because they WANT that player over another player???? Looks like I got the "A" in homework.
Don't embarrass anymore yourself son, this is getting too fun!
it's entirely possible that chow is delighted to have vy. he has coached leinart, and tennesse doesn't have the talent and personnel USC had surrounded leinart with. they'll have to rely on the qb more to create (and run like ), and vy is definitely better at that than leinart.
You're WRONG yet AGAIN!
Well, at least you tried.
More than Bud Adams wanted VY.
Chow did as well.
Sucks to the tune of a Super Bowl Championship, two MVP awards, etc... that is the dumbest thing you've said yet. Warner sucks now because he doesn't have the O Line and weapons that he had. After the Super Bowl years St Louis lost a lot on the O line and a lot of depth that helped Warner be great. Arizona has a vastly underachieving O line and with the exception of Fitz. not much of a receiving corps that performs well. Bolden is o.k., but not as good as his rookie year indicated. But really, that doesn't matter because with that O Line and Leinarts ducks and lack of mobility you could put 3 TOs and 3 Steve Smiths on that team and they still couldn't get it done.
AND... with a defense that isn't all too great - Matt better get damn used to being behind and having to throw against defenses that know what's coming. He's gonna have a bulls-eye on his chest in that pocket, and someone's gonna earhole him.
Updated: Aug. 1, 2006
Leinart holdout hitting Cards where they hurt
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
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The Cardinals are concerned about not having quarterback Matt Leinart in camp because of a holdout. Although they are willing to give him a contract well above the value of a No. 10 pick, Leinart is trying to secure a deal equal to the value of a potential franchise quarterback. Leinart doesn't want to be slotted slightly above Denver's Jay Cutler, who was one pick behind him.
Naturally, Leinart would like to recoup some of the money he potentially lost by staying at USC for his senior year. Had he come out as a junior, Leinart might have been the first pick in the draft. Mario Williams got the best money in this draft, securing a six-year, $54 million deal that could max out at $62.1 million if he hits all his incentives and escalators.
Settling for a contract in the $20 million to $30 million range that maxes out in the area of $40 million might not work for Leinart. There is no doubt the Cardinals need him in camp. Navarre is still a work in progress. Rohan Davey is nothing special as a backup. Leinart is the backup of this team and the future starter. It hurts having him out of camp, and the longer he is, the more it hurts.
Somebody tell him that you have to prove yourself first. The Cardinals may be dumb, but even they had to have seen the ducks that boy throws. No Fresno States in the NFL.
VY bested Matt on & off the field!
VY bested Matt on & off the field!
Draft day was hilarious when they kept cutting away to a shot of Leinart sitting there in the green room after Vince went 3 and then waiting and waiting...4..5..6..7..8...9...........finally....1 0!!!!!
I guess Marc Bulger is one of the top QB's ever as well huh. It's the rams system. They were unstoppable for a while, and it wouldn't have mattered if Ryan Leaf were the QB.
Funny, but I don't remember Bulger winning two MVP awards and a Super Bowl. I love the NFL and watch every season, but somehow I just don't remember that. Thank you for making my point for me. It's not just the system. You have to have the weapons, O line, and talent at QB. Warner had an accurate arm, decent deep ball, and quick release. All better than Leinart. Since they both are statues in the pocket, if he can't get the ball out in AZ I don't expect Leinart to either.
One thing I'll give you Cecil is that the addition of Edge with definitely help Leinart or whoever sits behind center for AZ. The only problem there is that Indy's O Line exponentially better than AZ's, and I don't see Edge being able to produce as much behind that O line. Especially if the QB doesn't have the time to get the ball to his receivers - defenses will be able to contain Edge with no problem.
Go on thinking that Warner deserved his ing MVP for all I care. It's pretty easy to agree with all the fox sportscasters. But if you look at the whole situation, and what happened when teams starting figuring out the system, and how warner did in 04(I think) when he had a touchdown, 200 fumbles, and 13 interceptions, before he got hurt. Then with the Giants, he looks like an absolute moron in the pocket because big daddy Pace is no longer there to hold his hand. The guy is a joke, and shouldn't have ever gotten to leave bagging groceries.
I'm glad someone is thinking with their head & realizes that the o-line is very freakin' important.
This is a stupid conversation.
I think both Qb's start on a blank slate. Matt leinart is a pro style Qb, and VY is an athletic specimen who has the arm for the NFL. Matt leinart needs to refine his short passing game, and vince young needs to study his plays well. Athleticism only is not a security in the NFL. Everyone is oversized and athletic and you are playing with the best of the best.
Leinart never relied on his athletic abiltiy, and many of you s fail to realize that he dismantled OU's stellar defense in 05.
Matt Leinart also picked and slapped UT's secondary, too bad UT had a VY who just flat out overpowered SC's defenders.
Now, what does this have to do with the NFL?
Matt leinart is not a choker like Whorns fans would have you to believe, he's been to the national game 3 times. He's no chris simms. He will do fine if his learning curve is all cracked up to be.
Vy will be decent his first years and has a shot to develop a smart game while he relies on his athleticism.
The fact that VY can be utilized on the feild even if he has a horrible passing day means that he will grow with experience.
...it is stupid, you're right. however, we only disagree on one thing....vy is going to suck, at least at QB.
i hope you're not dismissing VY for the same reason Whorns fans are dismissing Matt.
I think the sky is the limit with VY.
i'll say this, VY is not hanging with the right crowd, so i wouldnt be surprised if he comes out a bust.
I think USC's 2004 and 2005 indicate that Matt leinhart is no Chris SImms.
Deep down in the heart of burnt orange, they wouldn't mind a Matt leinhart about this time.
Plus he wouldn't ghetto fabulous bs about loyalty to the program while already dropping his name in the race for the NFL draft.
Face it Whorns, Matt Leihnart has 2 championships and is more loyal to his school than Rags to Riches 50 cent with a good pass ratio. You would love to have a Matt Leinhart in your program, so quit the ovulating and give him his props.
Nice take - I agree with most of it, but think Matt will only manage to be a middle of the road QB because he lacks top notch arm strength. I'd say he could have a Drew Brees like career. Brees has put up good numbers the last few years, but I think he's a middle of the road QB.
Vince I think will struggle greatly in his transition from dominating physical specimen to having to make numerous reads against complex pro defenses and his accuracy. Everyone keeps pointing to his comp % the last year, but it's very misleading. First (as I've already posted), he was very inconsistent from game to game, and a lot of his throws are off target. Those throws may result in a catch in college after he's bought time for his guys to get wide open - but I doubt it will in the NFL where D-linemen and LBs won't miss tackles and CBs can stay with their guys longer.
OK, so some Butt ed Buff fans are still hurt over the VY-analizing recieved in Dec of '05. Get the over it.
Any dumbass that thinks UT would want a Matty over a VY right now is MORONIC.
UT fans would like a seasoned QB, but would rather have VY over Matty or some Rockie Mtn pansie right now or in the future.
Sounds like some idiots are already dismissing UT's QBs as not good enough to win. I wish they'd post that & stop doing a FAIRY dance so I can bump this thread later in the season.
Looks like VY has a logo...
CLARKSVILLE — ans rookie quarterback Vince Young hasn't taken his first NFL snap, but there's one symbol that he's already arrived.
Like Tiger Woods, Young has his own logo. If fans attending training camp look closely at Young's light blue wristband, they can see it for themselves.
"I noticed it,'' running back Chris Brown said with a smile. "Hey, that's big-time. But when you're a high-profile guy like he is, that's what you expect.''
Even Young's not sure he expected a logo so soon. Not long after he signed with Reebok, however, discussions began about designing one exclusively for Young's merchandise. The third overall pick in the NFL Draft, Young signed a $58 million contract with the ans last week.
Young had input on the look of the sleek logo — inside what looks like a shield is a small V and a big Y.
For now he's showing it off on his wristband, but soon fans will be able to buy shirts, hats and just about everything else imaginable with the VY logo on it.
"It's going to be some nice exclusive stuff, so stay tuned,'' Young said.
And, of course, shoes are in the works. Reebok is coming out with a VY cross trainer shoe.
"Hopefully they'll be the second-most famous shoes in Tennessee, behind Elvis' blue suede shoes,'' said Eddie White, vice president of team properties for Reebok.
White said he hopes VY merchandise will be in stores by the fall.
Young, 23, said he's thrilled with the situation. Teammates who've seen his wristband seem pretty excited, too. Young said he has a shipment of some VY merchandise in the works for teammates who've asked about it.
"It is a dream really. Just looking at Deion Sanders, Junior Seau, guys like that who've had their own thing — Michael Jordan has his own symbol. That is why I worked hard and that is why I have to keep a good image so I can get to the point to have the same thing as those guys," Young said.
"A lot of people look up to them and are inspired by guys like that and I want to be the same. Maybe kids out here can look at me and say, 'Hey I'd like to get my own (logo) one day like that,' and they'll work harder.''
Young is already one of Reebok's most marketable players and his jersey is a hot item nationally, White said.
The rookie is featured in a Reebok ad with Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, and more promotions are in the works.
In addition to Manning and Young, Reebok also counts Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson and Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb as clients.
"But there aren't many players in the entire league that have their own logo,'' White said. "Really, I think Vince is the future of Reebok football. And the faster he develops and plays the better it is for us.
"We are like the ans. We can't wait to see the future come now. Trust me, we're as excited as Jeff Fisher is about Vince.''
Young is currently No. 2 on the depth chart at quarterback, behind veteran Billy Volek, "but "if Vince starts playing early, there will be great demand, and not only in Tennessee,'' White said. "The guy is certainly a cult figure in Texas.''
Young won't be wearing his logo during games, however. NFL players can wear whatever they want during practices, but on game days they're subject to strict regulations that keep uniforms, well, uniform.
So Young won't be able to wear his shoes during a game. If he wants to wear his VY wristband, he'll have to wear it inside out so the logo doesn't show.
Linebacker Keith Bulluck said he was unaware Young had a logo, but smiled when asked about it.
"It might just be smart business,'' he said. "So many people come after us athletes in so many different ways and at times take advantage. I guess now he has his own little trademark, he's got that staple. Yeah, I guess you could say that's his arrival to the big leagues.''
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...TS01/608020419
Pretty sure VY slapped around USC's secondary to the tune of 30-40-0 and Matt had only 1 less completion but also had an interception and another interception that was ruled incomplete
Exactly, Leinart will struggle due to lack of arm strength. I am not dismissing him because he is from USC, I just think that his arm lacks strength and his passes tend to flutter greatly. Without the tight spiral he will not be able to overcome the difference from college to NFL. If he develops a tight spiral, he will have a much better chance.
Regarding both VY and Leinart - they both have a lot of work to do to be ready to even think about starting in the NFL. No question about that. My point is that it is far easier and more realistic to expect a QB to learn NFL defenses and learn how to make passes in coverage, make reads, etc. (what VY needs most) than it is to have a QB increase arm strength and form a tight spiral on his throws. That is almost impossible to teach a QB, and Leinart will have to do both to be successful. Couple that with the AZ O Line and I don't see him succeeding in AZ anytime soon.
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