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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    Yonivore is:

    A) Intellectually dishonest

    B) Ignorant of the significance the Evangelical movement holds for Republicans during elections (ask your buddy Karl Rove to explain it to you)

    C) Both

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    I wasn't waiting for your approval.

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    Yonivore is:

    A) Intellectually dishonest.

    B) Ignorant of the significance the Evangelical movement holds for Republicans during elections (ask your buddy Karl Rove to explain it to you)

    C) Both
    Oh goody, a poll! Let me know how it turns out.

    A) I'd never heard of the guy before today.

    B) Evangelicals have never influence me during an election.

    C) Neither. I must have missed Rove's memo.

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    I wasn't waiting for your approval.
    Whatever you say.

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    A) I'd never heard of the guy before today.
    Yet now that you know about this influential, politically connected guy you continue to pretend he has no political significance.

    B) Evangelicals have never influence me during an election.
    Well I've never mistaken you for Christian, but I was referring to the election as a whole, not you single vote (unless your precinct has Diebolds)

    C) Neither. I must have missed Rove's memo.

    "Three days later, a Tuesday, Karl Rove summoned [Don] Willett [a former Bush aide from Texas who initially shepharded the program] to his office to announce that the entire faith-based initiative would be rolled out the following Monday. Willett asked just how — without a director, staff, office, or plan — the president could do that. Rove looked at him, took a deep breath, and said, “I don’t know. Just get me a f—ing faith-based thing. Got it?” Willett was shown the door." - exerpt from "Tempting Faith" by David Kuo

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    Pixel, I read that excerpt. I knew that the GOP was only playing the Christians, but now David Kuo has outed them in a national publication.

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    Do people not get the extreme irony here- we are not simply talking about a minister who might be performing gay acts; we are talking about the head of a nationwide Evangelical organization who has publicly been one of the biggest opponents of sexuality and gay marriage while he himself is engaging in the behavior. It is hypocrisy at its most extreme and a lesson for all who hold themselves up just a little too high.
    I wonder about the similarities between gay marriage and the laws that
    forbide mariage between people of a different race.

    Even though the supreme court struck down the law in 1967.

    Alabama defiantly, symbolically waited until the year 2000 to erase it from the books.

    I remember a lot of these, so-called men of the cloth, that were dead set
    against inter-racial marriage, but were spotted coming out of a particular
    house late at night. and joking about changing your luck.

    My point in starting this thread is as ploto said
    It is hypocrisy at its most extreme and a lesson for all who hold themselves up just a little too high

    I think this hypocrisy, that I have seen from Men of the Cloth and
    other "Bible-thumpers"is what turned me off from "Organized religions"

    Psst for you Texans Inter-racial means Mexicans & Whites, even though this state say's mexicans are white, it is not like that across America.
    case in point:

    Before anyone plays any cards here, My Wife is Mexican, I am white. My oldest 1/2 breed son is married to a Russian whose skin is whiter than a
    snowflake in Moscow, his son born in Louisana
    is listed as Other on his birth certificate.
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    Pixel, I read that excerpt. I knew that the GOP was only playing the Christians, but now David Kuo has outed them in a national publication.
    I'm terribly disappointed to find out that politicians are "playing" a voting bloc.

    The Dems are equally adept at the "playing" game, but they don't do nearly as well with Christians (they would if they could). Why is that? Generally speaking, it's because of an overall trust and faith in man's abilities without hope in, or help from an external source (God).

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    Yet now that you know about this influential, politically connected guy you continue to pretend he has no political significance.
    That's right...about as much as Mark Foley (who, by the way, may still win his district)

    Well I've never mistaken you for Christian,...
    Well, not to borrow an old cliche but, in this case, it really does take one to know one.

    ...but I was referring to the election as a whole, not you single vote (unless your precinct has Diebolds)
    Voted on a Diebold earlier this week.
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    Pixel, I read that excerpt. I knew that the GOP was only playing the Christians, but now David Kuo has outed them in a national publication.
    No, the Christian Right sees David Kuo for what he is; a disgruntled former administration employee who became upset that the President reduced faith-based initiative emphasis after September 11. Most of us understood that the emphasis need to be shifted to terrorism, he did not.

    He is to the faith-based initiative crowd as a Greenpeacer would be to the environmental crowd. Very, very, very narrowly focused on one issue. I wish him well.

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    The 2003 Repug campaign was saturated with "values" and "faith-based" crap pandering to dumb s in red-states, and that was a Repug campaign strategy 2 years after 9/11, so your point about Kuo being a minority whose program took second place in the Rovian univerise is total bull .

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    I don't think I'll ever stop vomitting.
    Oh Chump, you do leave youself so wide open (no pun intended) sometimes,
    but I will pass this time.

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    Trying to argue with current Christian-Political thought is akin to playing whack-a-mole.

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