DRob vs Timmy

[Phenomanul]

People all say those same things about D-Rob compared to Duncan and yet the consensus is that Tim was the better player.

Because again the mass "consensus" is based on the perception that the number of les determines your status as a player without regard to the other facets of the game.

I'll use your own example to present my point.
I believe Wilt to be the 2nd or 3rd greatest player of all-time and I'm not even sure he makes it that high on most people's lists. But how many les did he manage to win? Does that make him any lesser of a player than Russell? The answer is NO.

Besides, the typical fan does not recall specific matchups, remember teammates, playoff series (mistakes, tactics, injuries), much less even take the time to watch games played by other teams not their own. The typical fan is pretty ignorant when it all comes down to it. The consensus of the masses therefore will always be skewed toward the larger fan-bases and is unfortunately regurgitated by the media types without regard for truth or objectivity... but what is truth? Isn't this debate entirely opinion-based to begin with?

[ambchang]

I have no clue why you just said this when i in 2 posts now i have adressed the supporting cast that Ewing had. He had the better coach in Riley during their best years but not the better supporting cast. They were on par in that area, you are trying to act like Ewing had an excellent supporting cast and that was never the case. Had Ewing had that great 2nd player they would have beat the Bulls once or twice because they were close a few times when it was Ewing out there trying to do it all. Both these guys are great players and had great careers, but if Duncan does not come along and Robinson retired with no rings, he would not be viewed as better than Ewing. The perception is that he is better than Ewing because of those rings, in spite of the fact that Duncan was the dominant force that made that happen. We can agree to disagree on this one, i just feel that Ewing did more with about the same level of talent around him. I believe he wanted to win more than Robinson did and he got more out of his teamates as a result.

Simply you stating it doesn't make it true. Convince me how Starks + Oakley + Anthony Mason = Sean Elliott + Rodman + whoever. because the all-star appearances and all-defensive team appearances certainly didn't agree with that. I never said Ewing had an excellent supporting cast, I said Robinson had a terrible supporting cast. Outside of Sean Elliott, who, as a slasher earlier on in his career is not a perfect compliment for Robinson's game, there is NOBODY who should be a starter in the league. And no, an insane Rodman shouldn't even have been in the league.
I don't know what would happen if Ewing had one more great 2nd player, because I am not sure what great means, but he had Starks, Oakley, Mark Jackson, Mason, Vanderwedge, Cartright, and later on, Larry Johnson, and he didn't capitalize. And I STILL couldn't understand how Ewing advancing to the finals in a far weaker conference (the year Jordan retired) would be any evidence that he is better than Robinson. What has Ewing done more than Robinson? (All numbers in his prime from 86 to 96) Missed two playoffs? Got kicked out in the 1st round twice? Got kicked out of the 2nd round 5 times?
Robinson, from 89 to 96, missed the playoffs zero times, got kicked out of the first round thrice (once with RObinson injured) and lost in the 2nd round thrice despite far weaker supporting cast and coaching. Robinson's supporting cast is so terrible, that he led the Spurs to the biggest turnaround in NBA history (at that point, along with Strickland and mings), and lost 29 more games the year he was injured.
Final question, and this is a legit question, were you watching basketball in the early 90's? because if you were, you would be the first to ever say that Ewing > Robinson strictly judging by their accomplishments up till 1998. During that period (mind you, that includes the year Robinson played only 6 games), Ewing was all-nba 1st team once (in Robinson's Rookie year), and 2nd team 4 times, all-defense once, with zero MVP awards, zero rebounding les, zero scoring les, zero blocks le, and never led his team in assists.
Robinson, on the other hand, was DPoY once, MVP once, led the league in scoring once, led the league in blocks once, led the league in rebounding once, All-nba 1st 4 times, all NBA 2nd once, all NBA 3rd twice, all defence 1st 4 times, all defense 2nd 4 times, led his team in assists once (that alone tells you how bad his point guards are.
Look at it, it's not even CLOSE. Back in those days, it was Robinson and Hakeem, Ewing was clearly 2nd tier, and Shaq didn't even break through until 97/98, when both Hakeem and Robinson were done.

[Sec24Row7]

Robinson would have dominated Russel.

Wilt would have given him fits.