Jacque Vaughn > Beno Udrih

[Bruno]

I haven't watch the game but if Beno stop playing defense (he has never been a great defender but was decent in his rookie year), he will be benched and traded soon.

[AFBlue]

Whereas the other night, I thought Beno's benching for the entire game was an overreaction, this one was pretty warranted. Beno made a couple good plays, but he took some very bad shots and made some pretty bad decisions in the time he was given.

I hope Pop isn't in his head. Beno plays the best when he's confident in his shot and his playmaking ability.

Oh and my opinion on this post, no way is Vaughn better than Beno.

[TwoHandJam]

I have faith that his shot will come around because I know he's a good shooter.

I just hope it happens very soon so that Pop doesn't go to Vaughn a lot. Because even if Beno can't defend, if he shoots well and can handle the ball, he will stay on the floor. But if he does none of it, then Pop is stuck using Vaughn. And I don't think that's good for the team in the long run.

I'm don't think Beno will stay on the floor if he does everything else well but doesn't defend. Pop generally doesn't care if you're MJ on the court if you don't bring any defensive effort.

That's what I'm really afraid will happen to Beno if he plays defense like he has been. He'll be benched for Vaughn and that will suck in the long run.

[Obstructed_View]

Nobody on the Spurs brought any defensive effort for the entire first half, so benching the most fragile ego on the team for ing up seems hugely counterproductive. Oh ing well. Maybe they can trade him for cash or something.

[ShoogarBear]

Nobody on the Spurs brought any defensive effort for the entire first half, so benching the most fragile ego on the team for ing up seems hugely counterproductive.

True. Which makes what Beno did--standing out as unquestionably the worst defensive effort of all--an incredible, mind-boggling accomplishment.

[Obstructed_View]

True. Which makes what Beno did--standing out as unquestionably the worst defensive effort of all--an incredible, mind-boggling accomplishment.

I'll have to take people's word for it. Watching it live I thought the last layup was Barry's mistake, but I was at a house without DVR and couldn't rewind. I still don't think that Pop or others on this board have overreacted to anyone's mistakes as much as Beno's. So why not just cut him and get it over with?

[ShoogarBear]

Probably because if he gave the effort, he'd be one of the best backup point guards in the league.

[Obstructed_View]

Probably because if he gave the effort, he'd be one of the best backup point guards in the league.

But he can't do it from the bench. What does keeping him out for the entire game teach him again?

[ShoogarBear]

Um, that if he wants to play, he'd better not let his man go backdoor on consecutive plays, especially when his coach calls a timeout between play #1 and play #2 solely to point out that fact?

If Beno had come down and shot a long jumper with 19 seconds on the shot clock, and Pop called timeout, and then on the next play he did it again, wouldn't that be cause for some pinage?

[Obstructed_View]

Um, that if he wants to play, he'd better not let his man go backdoor on consecutive plays, especially when his coach calls a timeout between play #1 and play #2 solely to point out that fact?

If Beno had come down and shot a long jumper with 19 seconds on the shot clock, and Pop called timeout, and then on the next play he did it again, wouldn't that be cause for some pinage?

Some? Yes. Back to my original question: What does keeping him out for the entire game teach him again?

[ShoogarBear]

That he won't be given an opportunity to do that three times?

[Obstructed_View]

Great. Cutting him would keep him from doing it once.

[ShoogarBear]

Of course, I have no firsthand knowledge. My only guess is that it's like raising kids.

Some can learn just from pointing out their mistakes. Others, for whatever reason, only get it after they've experienced the penalty.

[AFBlue]

Of course, I have no firsthand knowledge. My only guess is that it's like raising kids.

Some can learn just from pointing out their mistakes. Others, for whatever reason, only get it after they've experienced the penalty.

But that penalty was a heavy price to pay for the Spurs. I'm convinced that even with his mistakes, Beno would've been the better option down the stretch for the Spurs in that game...

[Obstructed_View]

Of course, I have no firsthand knowledge. My only guess is that it's like raising kids.

Some can learn just from pointing out their mistakes. Others, for whatever reason, only get it after they've experienced the penalty.

It seems so out of character for a coach that allowed Parker and Ginobili to just play through their mistakes early in their careers.

[T Park]

It seems so out of character for a coach that allowed Parker and Ginobili to just play through their mistakes early in their careers.

prob because he could see how good they are, and that Beno ISNT, or maybe, because Beno does so little with so much.

[Obstructed_View]

prob because he could see how good they are, and that Beno ISNT, or maybe, because Beno does so little with so much.

Sorry, but even you know better than that.

First of all, you can't judge the situation with hindsight. Nobody knew if Parker or Ginobili were going to develop. Parker made bad decisions and Manu was a turnover machine. Neither of them had any more potential than Beno, nor was either a higher draft pick. So why has Pop re ed Beno's development with the extended dog house time and the quick hooks? I don't recall his ever having done that with any other young player that the team has developed.

Besides, if Beno is as bad as you say then why the did the Spurs pick up his option less than a month ago?? Embarassing him, bad mouthing him to the press and sitting him out of games isn't exactly increasing his trade value, so why not just cut him? In fact, why am I the only person that says the Spurs should cut him when so many of you think he's completely useless as a basketball player?