are you ing serious?? Kobe can take over games 4th quarter, OT, no matter. Parker looks great but not in crunch time.
not to mention Kobe is 10x the individual player Parker will ever be.
I tough we were debating whether Tony is or isnīt a clutch type of player.
He is a very good player,no doubt,but the question is : does he have what it takes to grab the ball and make a play to eather shoot, penetrate or find the open man to win a game?
I think he doesnīt right now,may be in a couple more years ,but right now,they shold give the ball eather to Tim or Manu.
Parker's not perfect, but then again, I don't know of any PG in the league who isn't without his faults:
Nash: His TO's per game are very high. His defense is piss-poor.
Kidd: Not the best shooter, is inconsistent. Has health issues.
AI: One dimensional scoring guard. Plays no defense.
Arenas: See above.
Heinrich: Shooting % low. Also very inconsistent.
What other "top PG's" are there in the league? Tony made crappy mistakes last night as everyone mentioned, but people are exagerrating that he "got owned" by Smush Parker there towards the end. Also, if you'll notice, Tim, Manu, and Tony all three made complete BS mistakes that ultimately cost us the game. And why? Well because it's getting easier and easier for teams to defend them since no one else on the team does anything. Teams can now afford to double those guys and leave guys like Finley/Horry/Barry/Beno open. If they start hitting their shots, Manu/Tony/Tim would make less forced mistakes, IMO.
Tony has a lot to improve on, but he's just 24. He fits into the Spurs system perfectly. Right now, with the way our bench and Bruce is playing, I don't think even Steve Nash could average more than 6 assists with this team...
Thatīs right,Manu a Tony made some mistakes cause Tony was runnig the play.
I think that they should move him to the SG position with 1minute or so reminding and let manu get the ball and call the plays.Them he can actually be more productive without the ball,to find an open shot and win a game
Not that I am arguing against this idea, but my point is that even Manu has been struggling to make the "Right play or find an open shot to win a game" this season. Mainly because as I mentioned, Spurs have 3 players who can score right now and teams can afford to double team them. And the Spurs are just playing so out of sync right now as if this is the first time they've all played together or something.
are you seriously blaming Tony for Manu/Duncan's TOs???
it's so obvious u a Tony hater. Cause if anyone should be blamed for last night's loss it should be Manu. He had the most horrible turnovers and was asleep for 3 quarters.
Hey,Iīm not a Tony hater at all, Just want the spurs to win a damn game.Like a said before the guy is a great player,but what we are arguing here is wherer he is or isnīt productive with the ball in his hands at clutch time.
it's so obvious u a Tony hater. Cause if anyone should be blamed for last night's loss it should be Manu. He had the most horrible turnovers and was asleep for 3 quarters.
I truelly think that he can be more productive without the ball and trying to find an open spot to eather penetrate or shoot .
Tony Parker is the only fukin reason the Spurs have a winning record this year... WTF? Some of you don't know about basketball....
FukinA
For one.. the Spurs run their offense through Bruce Bowen. That's the fukin problem, he is the first option for the pass, that is why Parker gets no fukin assists. It's a Pop system problem... then Bowen becomes Kobe and tries to take people off the dribble...
somebody wake me up... what a fukin nightmare.. Now Bowen is our Kobe.. holy .
My question is, how do you know?? Tony doesn't often get the chance to have the ball in his hands and be the first option in a play at the end of close games. That is usually Manu's job to penetrate and find an open spot or shoot.
Tony's given glimpses that he can be clutch. Although I still trust Manu more, I don't think Parker's gotten his fair share of times to prove himself in this type of situation for us to judge him.
Bowen had 4 shot attempts in the first 3 minutes of the game. Manu didn't get one until the 2nd quarter... WTF is up with that?
It is the truth. Even though Tony is just 24, he will never be at the same level as Kobe or Nash.
Tony is just a very good basketball player. But he is no where near the superstar level as Kobe or Nash.
Don't get be wrong. I love Tony. I cringe every time that he is being criticised. But I have also learn to accept his limitations.
I'm not going to read this damn thread, because it is the same damn thing over and over. Parker doesn't know when to pass, he slows down at the end of the game, and he doesn't play the point guard position the way it should be played.
I don't know how many times it has to be said on this board, but here it goes one more time
PARKER PLAYS THE PG POSITION THE WAY HE IS ASKED TO PLAY IT BY POP.
He's not going to be a pure point guard, EVER. So just forget about it! He's always going to be a score first/pass second point guard, and thats the way he's asked to play. He's not Steve Nash, He's not Jason Kidd, and He's not John Stockton so will you all please stop insinuating thats what he needs to be.
Secondly, its easy to focus more on his mistakes in the fourth quarter as last night. But the truth is that the Spurs didn't lose the game on Tony's late turnovers. They lost it with all of the crappy play throughout the game. Tony makes mistakes, and no one here will deny that, but the fact is that so many people here don't understand that many of those so called mistakes are just Tony doing what is asked of him.
Secondly, Tony gets for mistakes that aren't even his. The 2nd TO late last night was on Manu. He waited far too long to start his cut and by the time he was starting to go backdoor Tony was already passing him the ball to isolate up top. Thats not on Tony, thats actually on Manu but how many people here actually catch the nuances of late cuts and/or stopped cuts and how that s the passer?
Listening to people about Tony Parker is like listening to people about David Robinson. Neither are/were perfect, but they are so far above the average it isn't even funny.
BTW, those of you that are critical of Parker should step up to the plate with a list of point guards you would rather have on this team.
that's a really good comparison. People fail to realize that Tony's strengths are what make the Spurs very good.Listening to people about Tony Parker is like listening to people about David Robinson.
Parker' flaws of just not showing up at all in crunch time are much worse than any of the flaws of the guards you mentioned above.
having said that, yes, he is young and has a lot of room for improvement (which he is doing better by the season)
He still lacks a perimeter game (one which shows up once every 4 games) and if you clog the lane he is absolutely useless.
It's a shame basketball had to be 48 minutes instead of 24
I dont know about everyone else but I'm certainly not asking for a Parker trade, and there are only a few PG's in the league I'd trade for Parker (none of which are reasonably available) but he is easily the most frustrating player out of the big three.
The most frustrating player out of the big three wears 21. Thats not even comparable.
actually, you are right the more I think about it
Where was Duncan in the Final 24 minutes of the game last night? Where was Manu for the first 3 quarters of the game last night? Where was the bench the past 25 games?
Nobody on the Spurs has played good basketball this season for a full 48 minutes. Don't put that on Parker alone.
Tim Duncan is coasting and trying to stay healthy. That's not frustrating to me.
The big 3 are off limits to me, it's the rest of the scrubs that frustrate me.
Pretty much.
exactly. Its freaking january, Duncan is gonna kill in the playoffs just like last year. Manu will also be the same playoff Manu it looks like. And parker seems like he's improving from last year.
its the ing ty rest of the team + Pop that really piss me off too.
I would much rather a player show up in the 4th than just the first
Parker time and time again often falters in the 2nd half
Granted, Duncan has been inconsistent at times I'd still believe he is much more apt to take over games in crunch time (as is Manu) than TP
TP is great at the start, then teams figure out how to keep him out of the game as the game wears on (especially the good teams) and then Parker is rendered useless.
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