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It took you 2 hours to come up with that weak ? No one ever said that Kobe>Shaq during those runs. People are just defending Kobe's worth on those teams which some people think was minimum
Funny is the media always overrates Kobe. Shaq is what made the Lakers. Kobe was the second best player on that team by a large margin. Laker fans hate Shaq now so they twist what reality is. No surprise that the lakers played much worse when Shaq missed games than when Kobe missed games.
It took you 2 hours to come up with that weak ? No one ever said that Kobe>Shaq during those runs. People are just defending Kobe's worth on those teams which some people think was minimum
The Team was geared for Shaq when he was here...Kobe averaged the most assists to Shaq...did he make Shaq better... yeah. It worked both ways. I won't argue anymore with you...Remember, Kobe was 4-6 years younger than he is now...you put Kobe @ 28 with those players sans Shaq, they'd be way better. You tend to forget this....it's like putting Shaq this year with the same team 6 years ago...would they still win....I call bull .
This thread is pretty ing stupid.
KOBE basically hasnt done when he is the main guy on the team
same can be said with shaq who cant win one without and prominent allstar player alongside him.......
to be fair to Kobe everyone else on the present day Laker team pretty much sucks.
Name one player who single handily, without another star, won a ring.
Bingo
Can we please stop all the Kobe hate, its stupid
The whole concept of this thread is pretty re ed. The guy has a 3-peat under his belt. Kobe earned his respect as a player a long time ago.
Although I love a good Kobe joke just as much as the next guy, I actually like the guy. He's an all around excellent basketball player. There's not too much he can't do. I enjoy watching him play, it's just too bad he doesn't have a better supporting cast.
Kobe is one of the most overrated players ever. Without Shaq he is a selfish ball hog who only cares about himself. i wouldnt be surprised if he got left out of the Hall of Fame. wouldnt get my vote.
OVER-RATED
I'm sure he would be devastated knowing that you wouldn't vote for him.
Nothing makes me feel better than seeing this go 4 pages.
Kobe's good. He's like Nique reincarnate but he's no champion. Shaq (who I actually don't like) proved that a guy like Kobe is interchangable. Could be Wade, could have been Ray Allen, Micheal Redd, Melo, Petrovic. ing anyone.
If you put any quality big other than Shaq on the Lakers they still don't three peat. Maybe Duncan but Kobe would likely hurt his game too. You put any decent gaurd next to Shaq and they still win three rings.
he took ing Nick and Dennis Scott to the finals with ty coaching and an average bench. Had he been there any longer and not split for spotlight he may have won a ring in Orlando...or a few.
I won't take away from the rapists skills but he's no champion. He proved that when scoring les and selfishness became more important than being a champion.
Wow..KB24 got 3 rings, scoring les, all defensive, first team, etc and you are still putting him down? Well, since you did say "rapist" we know anything Kobe will do has a bias perception with you.
I can't believe this thread still exists.
I've changed my mind. I think Bill Russell is the best player to never win a ring.
I shouldn't bite...but I can't resist.
We will never know if Kobe would have won in 2000, 2001, and 2002 with the Lakers without Shaq, just like we will never know if Shaq would have won without Kobe. We will never know if Shaq would have won last year without Dwayne Wade. It's just impossible to say.
Really, it makes players like Duncan and Jordan all the more impressive---because they've won multiple championships with very different supporting casts around them, which can lead one to conclude that THEY were the definitive reason for the wins. When Duncan won in 1999, people wondered whether he could win with out Robinson. By the time he won in 2003, no one was questioning his dominance anymore.
Until Shaq or Kobe can win without another superstar, there will always be doubt for them both.
That is 100% accurate. The man could win 3 more rings playing 1 on 5 and I'll still go to the rapist card.
I think Dwyane Wade just won a ring while Shaq watched from the snack bar.
Does anyone read my posts.....You put Kobe @ 28 this year with another all-star and a decent supporting cast, they'd definitely contend. Remember, Kobe was with Shaq for 3 years until they won their first ring. Shaq was pretty dominent during those runs, had 4 all-stars on the team, Eddie, Nick, Kobe (voted) and Shaq with decent players around him. Did they win...no, only until Kobe took over the starting SG and the rest was history. So, back to basics, your arguement means , Shaq had 3 all-stars on his team, and guess what, nothing.
They wouldn't have been all-stars without Shaq. Shaq made them what they are just like he is doing with the Heat. Eddie Jones looked horrible with the Grizzlies but now that he has Shaq he is back. Kobe would need Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, or Shaq to be a championship team. Another swingman like Odom wouldn't fit in. It needs to be a PF/C that shoots a high percentage and rebounds.
I agree....just like Shaq needs another superstar SG to make his game work as well. What's your point.
Yeah well an over the hill Shaq was able to keep winning without Wade. That's my point. Shaq having a superstar shooting guard makes them unbeatable. Shaq having an all-star shooting guard is tough as well. Kobe though needs a superstar big man to be a contender. I've already said this but the Lakers were much better without Kobe than without Shaq. It is amazing how much of a difference that was. I don't even like Shaq but I realize how much he alters the game. There will always be players that can shoot outside but there aren't many players that can dominate the paint like Shaq does.
There's really no getting around this point.
Kobe IS a champion. Let it go.
Your back with your idiot posts? How many les did Shaq win with Penny?
And when did the Lakers only have Shaq and not Kobe? Give it up, Kobe has 3 rings. Dirk will never be the player Kobe is
Shaq would win a le with Dirk. If Kobe wasn't so selfish the Lakers would've won more les than they did.
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