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West: 6 seedin the east or west
East: Conference Champs
Well, you can't teach somebody to be 7 foot tall, thats for sure. And 6'2 guys are a whole lot more common than 6'10 guys. But I think the hardest positions to fill are as follows:
Center
Point Guard
Power Forward
Shooting Guard/Small Forward
We have a plethora of crappy centers in this league. Most of these guys are good for 6 fouls a game and thats about it. Point guards are a little more common since their height is much more easy to come by. But true floor generals are still a scarce thing. How many point guards aren't just shooting guards in miniature (see Allen Iverson, Daniel Gibson, Earl Boykins etc)? After that, PF is still a difficult spot to fill (again because height limits the pool of candidates) but far easier than the Center position. Wing players are a dime a dozen...but they are the future of this league.
West: 6 seedin the east or west
East: Conference Champs
One of the main reasons NY let him walk was because if they would have matched his $6.5 mil contract that we gave him, it would have been a $13 mil contract with the lux tax. They have Curry, Frye & Lee plus a couple of other bigs, so it was actually a no brainer to let him walk.
Nocioni is in a different situation with the Bulls. He is actaully part of their core group of players. He started for a while, but had foot issues, so he was out of the lineup, but when he was healthy he was a difference maker. The Bulls cap situation is no where near as bad as the Knicks, so they have the luxury of keeping him if they really want to.
Sure the Spurs could put together a package built around Scola, but if the Bulls are going to get rid of him, he will go to the highest bidder, ie. the team that will pay Nocioni the most. Maybe the Spurs are prepared to pay MLE type money for him, maybe a little more, but Seattle has dangled Collison(low post scorer) & if they lose Lewis, Nocioni could get a contract of $6-7+ mil, I doubt Chicago or Noc would turn that down.
While Scola is really our only bargaining chip, other teams will give Chicago & Nocioini other options & the fact is those options could turn out to be more attractive to the Bulls & Noc, leaving the Spurs to scramble for someone else like maybe Pietrus, but there has been talk lately that GS will match an offer for Pietrus & then get something in return for him, so it is not going to be very easy for the Spurs to get the players they really want.
No one has explained to me why Chicago wouldn't want Nocioni back except that he had plantar fasciitis, and we all know how that heals up.
Again, if a player is such hot and there aren't money issues, there is little chance he would be let go -- especially for these weak-ass offers.
One possible reason they would not want him back is beacuse they are going to be set at the Forward position with Deng & Thomas. Thomas & sefolosha will also have to be extended in the future & depending on the type of contract Nocioni gets, it could have implications on their salary situation. Noc will get a starters type contract, but he would not start on the Bulls, so if they could get expirings, plus an asset like Scola & maybe a draft pick, then it might be worth more to the Bulls to get something for him now. But like I said, a team like Seattle could come along & offer a young player that could help the Bulls out, like Collison who is on a decent contract length & money wise & they would probably take that deal over the Scola deal, unless Noc just absolutely said he wants to play in SA.
We pay our sixth man $8 million a year.
make it happen!
And we also pay our starter $3 mil...its an unusual situation that the Spurs are in, but we were lucky enough to get Finley on the cheap & we are also lucky to have Manu happy to come off the bench.
Manu is technically a bench player. How much are we paying him? If Nocioni becomes a starter when Bowen retires than that's not too much at all.
This is still a player's league. Collison? feh.
There are alot of question marks with Scola, one being if he will actually play in the NBA & two how his game will translate to the NBA. Collison is not a superstar, but he is the blue collar type low post player the Bulls would like to have. He is also on a reasonable contract & is probably more appealing to the Bulls than Scola is. Wilcox is also another player the Bulls could look at. I'm sure other teams will offer other players, probably more than what the Spurs can offer.
And three of our starters make around 3M.
And Chicago paid one player $33 million in one season.
If the Bulls are trying to build another champion, why give up Nocioni?
I already explained to you why I think they might have to let him go this summer in post #81.
As far as the $33 mil for one player for one season, I know your not comparing Noc to Jordan right?
I'm illustrating what the Bulls pay to win.
They are a profitable, big market team that is well under the luxury tax threshold.
If you can convince me that Thabo is set to replace Nocioni's impact in games and can start at either forward position in case of injury, I'll agree that Nocioni is easily expendable.
I just don't think an Scola and some other completely unwanted player or players is quite what Chicago would go for, no matter what Andres might want.
And thats exactly what I've been saying. If anything the Bulls could match an offer for
Noc & trade him later instead of taking on unwanted players or contracts for him.
The Bulls paying $33 mil to Jordan to win, doesn't exactly relate to the Bulls paying x amount of dollars for Nocioni to help them have a chance to win.
When you put that fact together with their cap position, it's pretty clear they'll keep Nocioni for a reasonable deal.
The question is, whats a reasonable deal? 3 years? 4 years? 5 years? $25 mil? $30 mil? $40 mil? Only time will tell.
If it happens I'm moving to SA
just wondering why Nocioni would be out of Spurs price range, if he signs for a (just guessing) 7 million per year contract.
I can't see him get more around the league. (if yes, the whole discussion will have been useless)
it would be a contract in the price range of Rasho (even Malik was cloes to that numbers) and Spurs had place for such a contract.
Horry's and Ely's salaries combine for 6.6 million. (I hope it is understandable what I try to say)
We might get nocioni next year if he signs a one year deal with chicago and becomes unrestricted, otherwise no way we get him this year. I don't know why but my gut tells me te spurs will sign Primoz Brezec this off season.
Not a bad Idea Obiwanginobili.They could also play some games in the offseason in argentina too.
When bowen gets a rest james white will be the useful one on offense
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