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collins sucks i really don't like the way he plays
to give butler and our second round pick ??? that make me laugh
IMO Butler is better than collins.......without any doubt
butler> collins
yeh thats right butler > the collins brothers together
this trade is a n joke.
collins sucks i really don't like the way he plays
to give butler and our second round pick ??? that make me laugh
IMO Butler is better than collins.......without any doubt
Told you so...Butler was signed by the Spurs last off-season but he never made the rotation. Butler is seen as somewhat of a head case by the Spurs brass and they are looking to move his contract.
Horrid suggestion.
The Spurs would be foolish to give up on Butler now. There's nothing terrible about his contract. He's a young raw talent who essentially joined the league out of high school. He's equivalent to a mid-1st round draft pick.
Larry Brown supposedly sold Pop on the Butler deal. He should take him back if we want to get rid of him.
Isn't there some kind of warranty on players being as advertised? Sheesh, who can Pop trust if he can't trust his friend Brown (who he helped to strip the Knicks of millions of dollars.)
For all the hate on Collins in this thread, he does one thing really well...plays hardnose defense. And that's an endearing quality to this Spurs coaching staff and FO...so any suggestion that the Spurs are interested in him doesn't seem to farfetched to me.
Having said that...this would be one of the worst trades for fringe players in history. Butler is clearly just starting out in his career, has so much more offensive game and still has defensive potential. Spurs should keep him through the Summer League and see if he's got what it takes to pass Elson on the depth chart.
If he plays great in the Summer League and the Spurs still want to trade him, his value will have increased exponentially to that point. As of now, he's got no trade value and this would be rediculous...
i think that quote is total bull . i dont believe it. and if it is true, then its still total bull . i've seen Collins the past few years, and he seriously sucks, as does his brother. I hate the fact that the Spurs would even consider this.
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Butler is a very young player : if he had decided to go to college, he would just have finished his junior year.
He has too shown some nice thing at the end of the season. It's too soon to give up on him.
Could be a worse deal. It could be getting Rasho back.
You told us jack .Told you so...
Your going off of a goddamn false bull article.
STFU.
Young big guys with upside are so scarce that they tend to get overvalued. The Lakers think Andrew Bynum is a budding Shaq Oneal and untradeable. To me he just looks like another Kevin Duckworth -- solid not great.
Mayber Butler will be good, but I'm skeptical. I think everyone here expected him to get playing time this year. Instead, he got the Menk Bateer treatment.
# of spurs championships with Rasho starting = 0
# of spurs championships with Oberto starting =1
Oberto>Rasho
I dont have any insider word, but isnt obvious with the change in centers throughout the year(oberto starting to elson, then back to Oberto) Even during these changes, the Spurs never even gave Butler a chance. We were having problems at Center and Butler was never even condidered. Obviously the Spurs had little faith in him.
For the arguement of that Butler had great games at end of season, must I remind that the other teams were playing their 3rd stings too, not to mention he played as the only big when he did play. He looked slow and a little uneasy. I heard when we first got him how he had all this potential, but havent seen anything to make me believe it. Heck, I feel better about White next year.
Maybe if he plays in the summer league he will show something we have not seen yet. I just dont see him making the team at this point or if he does, having any PT. I like to know why he never played in the D league. At least there we could get a feel for the guy.
As far as trades are concern, the ones for Collins is jsut horrible. I would like the salary dump myself. I have no suggestions on how to trade him, but know Collins is just plain bad.
Spaces on next years team wil be hard to come by. I had hoped Horry would retire, but looks like one more year or Horry, Finley, and Barry. This will make it that much harder for him to get in PT. Not even gonna bring uop about Bonner and Ely, way to much to go over.
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I can't believe you bashed me a while back when I said Butler was overweight and a bust.....Elson is ten times the player Butler is or ever will be and that's not saying much
I can't believe people are taking the rumor seriously. Go to their website and email the 15 year old who runs it and ask them where the rumor came from.
Butler is 21 and Elson is 31. I'm still waiting to make that assessment.
10 times better is an extreme exaggeration even at this point though. Elson is a 5/5 player in 20 mpg. If Butler was 10 times worse, he'd average .5 and .5 in 20 mpg.
We're not getting rid of Butler. No way.
I seem to remember that during the Memphis game when Butler got the start he was logging serious minutes against Pau Gasol. Hes not exactly a 3rd stringer. In fact, Memphis was playing their starting lineup against the likes of Matt Bonner, James White and Heavy Paper Butler.
Because he wasn't elligible. You can only go down to the D-League in your first two years in the league. As far as I know that was technically Butler's 3rd year.
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It would be like Isaiah to let Butler go, and then bring him back. Losing picks in the process.[
Is it possible that Pop and RC are engaged in a double reverse smokescreen where they float the rumor that we're unhappy with Butler and he's a head case so that other teams will be less willing to accept him as filler in a larger deal that we may be working? I've always felt like our management was playing chess against a league full of front offices playing checkers.
It's entirely possible if not likely that this "reporter" just kept the EN story about shopping Butler in the back of his head these past few months and then saw a story about Utah's trying to move up in the Tribune or on a realgm forum and decided to Sam Smith them together.
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