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I didn't say he was going to be an MVP or as good as KG. And a little under 6'9 is the average size of a PF in the NBA these days. Brand is about 6'6 - he's undersized for a PF. 6'10 isn't undersized.
*Horford is 6'9 3/4 with shoes.
I watched him play a lot.
He may, in reality, be 6'9'. He seems noticeably shorter than Noah who is 6'11".
He is a good passer. But for a low post player like Horford, 6'11' would be much better.
For example, his height would hurt him trying to guard Tim Duncan in the post. Trying to guard Oden on a consistent basis (without the constant help of his teammates) would be difficult for him.
Stoudamire, despite his quickness and athleticism, has trouble and he is about the same height. Horford isn't nearly as athletic or quick as Stoudamire.
Maybe I am wrong, but he seems like a 16 or 17 point 8 rebound a game guy to me.
KG was a 23 point 12 rebound a game player.
There's a difference between good and great.
I didn't say he was going to be an MVP or as good as KG. And a little under 6'9 is the average size of a PF in the NBA these days. Brand is about 6'6 - he's undersized for a PF. 6'10 isn't undersized.
*Horford is 6'9 3/4 with shoes.
Is there still a chance that Marvin Williams pick by them will turn out to be justified? Sure doesn't look like it.
He is a better scorer in the paint than KG, one of the reasons he will be a pretty good scorer. As his jump shot develops, he will become a very dangerous player in the post. Yea, he might not have the athleticism of Amare, or the height of Tim, but niether do Randolph, Brand or Boozer, and they do alright
Okay. So, I guess you are saying that it is not as bad as it looks to lose KG.
They won't be as good as they were before with KG, but they won't be that far below what they were.
And they can use the money to build their team.
And I can see the logic of that.
And I think Horford will be a really good player, as you were saying.
So, maybe we didn't really disagree, we were just looking at it from different angles.
Marvin Williams is developing well. He was a "project" player when drafted and nobody expected him to have a great rookie year. The way Chris Paul exploded made people forget that.
I think in time Atlanta will be happy with taking Marvin Williams over Chris Paul.
Everyone will have trouble guarding Duncan
But he's only about 6'10 1/2 himself.
I'm saying it's not bad at all to lose KG who is miserable and aging to get the number 3 and number 11 pick in an awesome draft.Okay. So, I guess you are saying that it is not as bad as it looks to lose KG.
They won't be as good as they were before with KG, but they won't be that far below what they were.
And they can use the money to build their team.
And I can see the logic of that.
And I think Horford will be a really good player, as you were saying.
So, maybe we didn't really disagree, we were just looking at it from different angles.
Im not impressed by Horford at all..he's much closer to Ike Diogu than Elton Brand.
Not a lot of explosiveness to say the least.
bookmark this page...horford won't do much in this league.
Minnesota already sucks with KG.Okay. So, I guess you are saying that it is not as bad as it looks to lose KG.
They won't be as good as they were before with KG, but they won't be that far below what they were.
And they can use the money to build their team.
And I can see the logic of that.
And I think Horford will be a really good player, as you were saying.
So, maybe we didn't really disagree, we were just looking at it from different angles.
Now they can suck without paying KG.
Good point.
Phoenix, Atlanta, Minnesota Three-Way Close?
June 27, 2007 - 3:53 pm
Yahoo! -
Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett is close to going to the Phoenix Suns in a monumental three-way trade that would send Phoenix forward Amare Stoudemire to the Atlanta Hawks , league sources said Wednesday.
Atlanta would move the Nos. 3 and 11 picks in Thursday's draft, as well as Zaza Pachulia and Anthony Johnson, to Minnesota.
Minnesota owner Glen Taylor has delivered a mandate to his basketball executives to get a deal done, one league executive said.
Yahoo! Sports has learned that the trade would also save the Hawks from an emerging showdown between the front office and coaching staff over whom to draft with the third pick. The front office and coaching staff had settled on Florida power forward Al Horford, but a faction of the Atlanta Spirit ownership group, with business interests in China, is pushing them to take Yi Jianlian.
The deal hinges on Atlanta general manager Billy Knight saying yes, as well as Hawks ownership, which is mired in lawsuits, being willing to increase payroll. It is believed that star Hawks guard Joe Johnson talked to his former Suns teammate on Wednesday and that the 24-year-old Stoudemire, a first-team All-NBA choice, told him that he'd welcome the trade. [READ]
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ree_way_close/
I think he will average about 18 and 8 and play good defense within a couple years. Is that considered not doing much?
And that was about my estimate.
But since you say it, Kori, it is more authoritative because you actually know what you are talking about.
I think the reason why this trade seem demoralizing (and I am guessing will FEEL demoralizing) for the Wolves is that they trade away their franchise player and get a prospect who MAY turn out to be very good...but that's a big maybe (who knows: injuries, stupid decisions, life changes, etc - no one can predict) and even if he does, no way will Horford ever be the kind of franchise player that KG is, or that TD is. No way is Randolph, Brand, or Boozer that kind of player, either.
And while that maybe be OK, in the long run (again, there's a lot of ifs before we know that), I can't help thinking that Minnesota fans are going to leave this whole deal feeling really, really crappy about their team. I can't IMAGINE how SA fans would have adjusted if TD had walked. Losing David to retirement was hard enough.
But, this may just be the best option out there, if the Wolves management have decided they're never going to be able to get enough talent to surround KG.
Atlanta looks like they make out like bandits on this deal.
Phoenix - we'll see. Who else do they have to give up - that's a big if. And can KG and Nash fare any better than Stoudemire and Nash? I predict possible chemistry problems. KG is used to being the Man, and has a history of being pretty hard on his teammates. Nash is the Man on the Suns, and runs his team very differently than KG.
Definately not an all-star then right?
For the number three pick? I would say so.
I think Minnesota fans will be happy. They will have some hope to have cap space in the future to try to build and they aren't winning now with KG anyway.
I love the idea of Amare in Atl. They can't draft worth a and they know what their getting with him. They still need a PG but they can trade for that.
I'd get to see Amare play a lot
All Star maybe once or twice.
So, does this make Phoenix more of a threat to us?
It appears to me that it does.
Also, Can KG guard Dirk?
Prior to the trade, I felt that Phoenix was the better small ball team and thus Dallas was very, very unlikely to win a 7 game series against Phoenix.
As Dirk defenders go, Marion did as good a job as anybody.
It's going to be funny to see how KG meshes with that whiny Marion.
So, Marion stays put.
I am confused.
Minnesota trades KG and gets #3 and #11
Atlanta trades picks 3 and 11 and gets Stoudamire
Phoenix trades Stoudamire and gets KG.
Am I even close?
Well it's not a done deal yet but the latest was
Pachulia, some other scrub, #3 and #11 to Minny
Stoudemire to Atlanta
KG to Phoenix
But I'm sure there are a couple other small things (like one more player leaving Phoenix) to make it all work.
Wow...for an "insider" you sure are clueless.
That deal is dead.
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