Then trade him. If he'll never get it and has no reason to, quit whining about playing him and start whining about gettting him out of town.There's really no incentive for him to play D.How'd not stifling Jack in favor of Smith work out the year before? You know that's the more relevant comparison and it's killing you that Barry is Smitty with worse shooting right now.How'd not stifling Horry and Hedo work out for us last season.Ok, so quit trying to take away minutes from Brown and Beno for the welfare of Steve Heal Barry. Let him prove he's better than that.It's a higher priority to me to win a le than it is to worry about who is slapping Pop in the face or getting rewarded or punished.
Look guys - the Spurs are 18-5 and have the best start in Franchise history - who cares if Beno is better than Parker or vise versa? They're both great and fun to watch - why can't we just enjoy our good fortune and stop pitting player against player?
It worked out very well...and you never heard me complaing about that move either. Smitty sucked from the 02 AS game on.
You could see the decline in Smitty's game...he started for an entire season...
Barry hasn't even gotten untracked yet.
Smitty lead the league in 3 PT shooting...that didn't change the fact that he was a choking in the post season...and couldn't even move on D.You know that's the more relevant comparison and it's killing you that Barry is Smitty with worse shooting right now.
I don't know if Barry's a post season choker or not, I don't know if Beno is one or not, just like I didn't know with Hedo...I feel ok about Devin based on what he did last season...then again, I felt ok about AD after the 2001WCF debacle... ...
but what I do know is that the way Pop is handling him now is not going to help him out...not that Pop will call his number in the playoffs anyway...
What I do know is that you can't judge the way a guy is going to perform in the post season by what he does in the regular season...especially when you are talking about shooters on this team.
that, I want to win a le, not get caught up in stupid pissing contests...and I think getting Barry minutes will help that...It's not about developing guys by giving them every spare minute..it's about winning a le. Our depth of shooters is why I felt so optimistic...Barry being the best one of course...and I feel that depth is being misused. Like it has been before.Ok, so quit trying to take away minutes from Brown and Beno for the welfare of Steve Heal Barry. Let him prove he's better than that.
The mother er is generally considered to be the best shooter in the NBA...he can help Duncan by drawing defensive attention at the perimeter even if he isn't hitting his shot. And he doesn't make stupid decisions with the ball either...
Beno and Tony should play at the same time! They are both great!
So you know that right?but what I do know is that the way Pop is handling him now is not going to help him out...not that Pop will call his number in the playoffs anyway.No, that's Peja or Ray Allen. Don't exagerrate.The mother er is generally considered to be the best shooter in the NBA.Except for his being able to play team D, you just described Beno.he can help Duncan by drawing defensive attention at the perimeter even if he isn't hitting his shot. And he doesn't make stupid decisions with the ball either...
Basically you guys want a qwhottta of minutes for Barry regardless of anything else that might be happening on the team or on the floor. We get it. You are so quick to point out how many minutes you know he will play but will never nut up and say how many minutes you want him to play.
Why is that?
Amen, Brother. Now you're preachin'-- but I'm afraid these fools won't see the light..
Hey, I'm the one saying things are generally good, and Barry will earn the minutes.
These guys already have us out in the first round.
barry will not average 20 minutes a game this year unless brown and beno get hurt or their play falls off drasically
he would be lucky to average 10
he is nice to have as insurance though
Well, that's the bet apparently -- with the tacet understanding that the Spurs are going to suck ass in the playoffs because of it.he would be lucky to average 10
I don't think we can count on Bowen being out of the woods on his FT shooting or field goal shooting quite yet.
Just like many folks think Barry will revert to his career shooting percentage, Bowen may return to his career average in FT shooting.
But we can devoutly hope that both will improve.
I am certain.
I don't think Peja's as good of a shooter...Allen probably is..from three anyway. Anyway...I mean of the non star variety.No, that's Peja or Ray Allen.
Um..no on the one who is exaggerating is the one that thinks they can judge a player in 2 months while he is hot...Don't exagerrate.Except for his being able to play team D, you just described Beno.
I guantee you that the only people that think Beno is a better shooter than Barry are here on this forum. And they are probably most of the people that said Hedo was better than Manu just because was Hedo was hot.
Becuse I don't want a quota, I don't judge it that way. I look at it in terms of situations, where you guys get stupid is by supporting Pop's mentality of trying to punish Barry, for what you feel is poor play, by not going to him in situations where he could help the team..regardless of how he has played in other situations...Basically you guys want a qwhottta of minutes for Barry regardless of anything else that might be happening on the team or on the floor. We get it. You are so quick to point out how many minutes you know he will play but will never nut up and say how many minutes you want him to play.
Why is that?
and when I see our offense stagnate..as I have in the second half of just about every game Barry has been yanked..I think that's a good situtation for us to use his skills...If I saw him coming in in those situations I wouldn't care what the rest of his minutes were.
.....you guys are the ones that think in terms of quotas,...I mean I can look at it in terms of absolutes with minutes but that's really not the way I look at it..but I think you and Pop and most everyone else do look at it that way...it seems to be the only language you speak.
Whott are you Beno hata?
As I said, we'll see. Beno never got regular time on the Spurs either.I guantee you that the only people that think Beno is a better shooter than Barry are here on this forum.Again, you decribe Beno to a T, and in many cases, it is an either/or situation -- that's just the way it is?and when I see our offense stagnate..as I have in the second half of just about every game Barry has been yanked..I think that's a good situtation for us to use his skills...If I saw him coming in in those situations I wouldn't care what the rest of his minutes were.Then why incessantly about his minutes? Why make bets about his minutes?you guys are the ones that think in terms of quotas,...I mean I can look at it in terms of absolutes with minutes but that's really not the way I look at it.
A lot of people are starting to like Beno because they are starting to see that he's one of the few guards the Spurs have that could hit an open Jumper consistently. Him and Devin are the one's that I see that could do that. Could you trust Manu, Tony, Barry "the savior", to that in the playoffs? Ya'll know in the playoffs they are going to come down hard on Tim and our gurads are going to have hit jumpers. Let's hope Beno doesn't pull a "hedo" in the playoffs and leave Devin all alone.
tp has shot 52% from nov 27
he has been doing well
52% is high for a guard
No, and I'm not a Devin hater either. There is not a player in the rotation on this team that I hate...even Wilks seems to have potential.
What I am is a "utilization of a deep bench" lover.
I know that shooting is the weakest part of Parker and Manu's game, it's something Devin has had to work at...and it's not supposed to be the strongest part of Beno's game either.....I'm not saying they all suck..because they Parker and Manu are both good at it, but I just don't trust them to hit their perimeter shots consistently although Manu is shooting exceptionally well this season...still not sold on his shot yet...I think Bruce loses his legs and he really hasn't shot well in the post season yet...I think Beno is unproven...I think Devin looked good last post season and again this season.
But I don't know that any of these guys can shoot consistently...just like I don't know that Barry's consistency in the regular season will translate to the playoffs...
So I want them all getting PT...I want them all to be options because the only 3 we really know about are Bruce, Manu and Parker...and I'm not satisfied with their perimeter game based on what I have seen in the past...and I think Barry is the most skilled and solid guard on the team in terms of offense...I think he's got a lot to offer on the offensive end...and I think he has been offering it all season..it's just not showing up in his 3 pt PCT.
I'm not...you are the one that has been ing about his minutes...not me. You are the one that has been asking for quotas on minutes this entire controversy...and I just took the bet because I realized it was a bad bet on your part and those seem to be the only terms in which you can think.
What I am ing about is him getting yanked to the bench after meaningless play in the first half and not getting any court action(changed so I don't you up) while our offense stagnates in the second half.
That's what I am ing about. It's what I have always been ing about.
Meaningless play is right. He has given no reason to believe he's a better option than Beno when all he gives is 8-10 minutes of meaningless play in the first half.What I am ing about is him getting yanked to the bench after meaningless play in the first half
They are meaningless in the sense that our offense isn't stagnant and you can't really notice any impact he has on the game. On top of that he's not doing anything...he's not handling the ball...he standing out there as a spot up shooter...that is a waste of his talents. He can do much more than that.
Edited.
Look up.Actually he doesn't even shoot now, so that is meaningless.On top of that he's not doing anything...he's not handling the ball...he standing out there as a spot up shooter.
Whottt for how long do you know Beno? I know him since 1998
This is not true, he's hit big shots this season, almost exclusively in the second half and almost exclusively when our offense was stagnant.
Your refusal to acknowledge this is your lack of insight...not mine.
I mean you might as well try and tell me he's shot like this for the entire season...when really he hasn't.
Never even heard of him before the Spurs drafted him.
But I did say this earlier:
I can look at Barry's career going back further than 98 and I can tell you his current shooting is the aberration.
I can look back at Barry's NBA career for 10 years and I'm not willing to give him credit for something he hasn't done...and if I'm not willing to do it for him, I'm certainly not willing to do it for a rookie.
You know what? I think they all will be fine.
He has given no reason to believe he's a better option than Beno when all he gives is 8-10 minutes of meaningless play in the first half.Of course it's true.This is not true
Beno produces good play in the first half.
Barry produces meaningless play in the first half.
Given the choice, who would you give minutes in the second half?
If you choose Barry, you only go by reputation.
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