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I did. Same story shows up as the fourth link and on the top of page 3:
Candidates Have Their Say on Obama's Decision Not to Wear Flag Pin
Another fair article with no hint of biased editorializing.
First link on page 3
Obama Stops Wearing Flag Pin
I read the story and can't find any biased editorializing on the part of FoxNews. Let me know if you do.
I did. Same story shows up as the fourth link and on the top of page 3:
Candidates Have Their Say on Obama's Decision Not to Wear Flag Pin
Another fair article with no hint of biased editorializing.
look at poor laura, wishing she'd have dipped "W's" lapel pin in poison. so sad, the battered face of women trapped
Fox & Friends' Doocy reported Obama's "patriotism problems"
During the October 23 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, while previewing a discussion of a clip of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) in which Obama did not place his hand over his heart during the playing of the national anthem at a campaign event in Indianola, Iowa, co-host Steve Doocy asserted, "First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems," echoing an assertion made by the conservative blog NewsBusters. As Media Matters for America do ented, during an October 3 interview with ABC-affiliate KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Obama was asked why he was not wearing an American flag pin on his lapel. Obama responded, "[R]ight after 9-11, I had a pin," adding: "Shortly after 9-11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a subs ute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security." NewsBusters noted in an October 20 post that Time magazine had photographed Obama without his hand over his heart during the national anthem, writing, "Turns out that not wearing a flag lapel pin isn't the only way Barack Obama chooses to show he's a different kind of Democrat."
During the segment that Doocy had previewed, co-host Gretchen Carlson asked, "[D]id you know that there is United States Code ... that talks about what your stance and hand-over-heart action should be ... when the national anthem is playing?" Doocy responded that, according to United States Code, le 36, Chapter 10 , Sec. 171, "During the singing of the national anthem, you've got to have your hand over your heart." Contrary to Doocy's assertion, however, 36 U.S.C. § 301(b)(1) (the current section of the U.S. Code dealing with conduct during the national anthem) does not compel the placement of the right hand over the heart during the performance of the national anthem (a requirement that would presumably be uncons utional). Indeed, according to the code, "During a rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart" (emphasis added). Subsection (b)(2) provides: "When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there" (emphasis added). According to the website usflag.org, 36 U.S.C. § 171 contained the same provisions.
This is not the first time that Doocy has attacked Obama. During the January 19 edition of Fox & Friends First, Doocy asked of Obama, "Why didn't anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised -- spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father -- as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa?" as the blog Think Progress noted. As Media Matters for America do ented, during the January 22 edition of Fox & Friends First, Doocy issued a clarification: "We want to clarify something: On Friday of last week, we did the story from the Insight magazine where we talked about how they were quoting that Barack Obama, when he was a child growing up in Indonesia, had attended a madrassa. Well, Mr. Obama's people called and they said that that is absolutely false. They said the idea that Barack Obama went to a radical Muslim school is completely ridiculous. In his book it does say that he went to a mostly Muslim school but not to a madrassa."
From the October 23 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
DOOCY: First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn't do during the singing of the national anthem.
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DOOCY: We told you -- I think it's been a couple of months now -- Barack Obama was out in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and he was asked by KCRG, the local TV station, "Hey, what's the deal? Why don't you wear a flag pin?" And Mr. Obama said that he would like to -- he wore it for a while but he'd like to show his patriotism a different way.
From the 11 a.m. ET hour of the October 5 edition of Fox News Live:
HILL: Democrat Barack Obama making his presidential campaign a no-pin zone, taking some heat over his explanation for why he stopped wearing a flag pin. The Illinois senator says he stopped wearing the flag pin, which he had put on after the 9-11 attacks, because he feels it is a hypocritical subs ute for true patriotism. Well, here's what he said to a crowd in Iowa. Let's take a look at it. "Shortly after 9-11, particularly because, as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a subs ute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security." Now, Obama says everyone should be less concerned with what's on his lapel than what's in his heart. Joining us is Fox News Radio's Brian Kilmeade and Judge Andrew Napolitano, co-hosts of Brian and the Judge. When I heard this, actually, one of the direct quotes that got to me was, "I won't wear that pin." It reminded me of the "I didn't have sex with that woman." But on the flip side of that, it's a pin. Who cares if he wears it? I wear mine sometimes, not others.
NAPOLITANO: I think he's disrespecting the American flag, E.D., but I understand why he's doing it. He's appealing to a hard-left audience. That's the only way he can catch up with Hillary Clinton, and they agree that wearing the pin means you're pro-war.
KILMEADE: So what you're saying is he's kissing up to the people who don't like the American flag?
NAPOLITANO: Right.
KILMEADE: How will that benefit anybody?
NAPOLITANO: Right, it will benefit him because he will get him votes that he otherwise won't get if he wears that pin. That's the mentality he has to appeal to.
KILMEADE: Well, here's the thing, E.D., what we' re getting from callers, almost nine out of 10 that we've gotten on this subject, and we're looking at a whole bunch of topics, have said: "Barack Obama, put it on, and your explanation does not fly." So you have to wonder, he's got to focus on Iowa. So the people of Iowa, when he goes and catches up to people in the field, no one's going to say, "I'm not voting for you, you're wearing the pin." But how many are going to say, "I'm not voting -- I will vote for you because you are wearing the pin"? That you -- just play the odds.
HILL: But guys, I mean, look at it. Brian, you and I did a show for a long time together. Both of us had on flag pins for probably a number of years. I haven't been wearing it probably the past year. But that doesn't make us any less patriotic, does it?
NAPOLITANO: I don't think it makes you any less patriotic at all. I don't wear the pin and I'm a patriot. I fly the flag at my home, and I say a prayer when I think of it for all those who died that I can fly that flag. But that's -- I'm not the type of person Barack Obama is appealing to.
KILMEADE: I just think --
NAPOLITANO: He's appealing to a lot of people that want us to lose the war.
KILMEADE: He's anti-Betsy Ross, and she's one of my favorite female figures, and for that I stand up for you, Betsy.
HILL.: Although the truth is Betsy Ross didn't sew that flag. One of those American --
KILMEADE: More on that later.
HILL: -- American myths. More on that later, or not.
KILMEADE: I'm buying that myth.
HILL: But do you think it really does matter, Brian, because it seems like it's because he was wearing it for so long that it was odd when he took it off, and that's where the catch comes?
KILMEADE: Well, look, as his wife said, "If we don't win Iowa, we cannot win. The dream is over." My feeling is, why take a stand, he stumbled into it, and it does not seem as though it is something that he really thought out well. I think he's got to apologize to the people, for example, who are working the fields, that were Marines, who were in the Army --
HILL: What, apologize for not wearing a pin?
NAPOLITANO: Yes.
KILMEADE: Well, to say that the American flag is -- wearing the American flag shows too much patriotism? I mean, that's what he is insinuating.
HILL: Well, no, he said he didn't need to wear it to show patriotism.
NAPOLITANO: But to the crowd from whom he wants votes, wearing the flag is too much patriotism. Doesn't make sense to you and me.
HILL: And we'll see how it plays in Iowa, as they say.
Fox & Friends is a news program?
Or, is it something more akin to Hannity and Colmes, Hardball, etc...?
Just curious. I've never seen the show.
And, can you identify the people in the Fox News interview? Which is the Fox News employee and which is the interviewee?
Fox news d the storyFrom the October 5 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:
BILL HEMMER (co-host): All right, Barack Obama wants to be president, right? This week he was asked why he no longer wears an American flag lapel pin on his suit. Instead the Illinois senator saying that he wants to show Americans his beliefs are a testament to his patriotism. How's this going to impact his campaign? Let's debate that now with radio talk show host Mark Williams and the Washington editor for The Nation, David Corn. Gentlemen, welcome to both of you here.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
CORN: Good to be here.
HEMMER: David, you first, now how does this decision win votes? That's the name of the game, right?
CORN: Uh, excuse me. Last night, on this very network, there was an interview with Fred Thompson. Guess what he had on his lapel? No flag pin. I went on to the websites this morning of John McCain and Mitt Romney. Found lots of pictures of them, no flag pin, flag pin. I looked at Congressional Quarterly this morning, and I did see a picture of Larry Craig, the disgraced senator who's not giving up his seat. There was a flag pin.
HEMMER: I don't, OK.
CORN: This is a big nothing. Unless you want to talk about everybody else who's wearing and not wearing a flag pin, I don't see how this makes a difference in the race.
HEMMER: I want to bring in Mark in a moment. Have these guys been asked about it yet? I don't think they have. I think it's Obama that's on record as addressing this. Mark, what do you make of this? How does it win votes? That is the name of the game.
WILLIAMS: It uh, well first of all, Obama's very different than those other names, in that Obama says he took his flag pin off after 9-11, and he felt, apparently, some sort of an affinity or some sort of a connection, because at that point he felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is.
CORN: Oh, you know --
WILLIAMS: The Democrat [sic] Party is coming out of the closet as the domestic insurgency and the domestic enemy. We've got John "Skippy" Edwards, who wants us all to march off to the doctor for mandatory physicals. Hillary Clinton, who wants us to be denied the right to work for a living unless we live a politically correct prescribed lifestyle for our universal health insurance. Obama, who says 9-11 is his cue to take off the American flag --
CORN: Mark, Mark --
WILLIAMS: And then now David Corn equating an American flag with a pervert in a toilet.
CORN: That's wrong, Mark. You have your facts wrong.
HEMMER: He's calling him a "domestic insurgent," David?
CORN: Hey, hey, Bill, Bill, let me make a suggestion here. If you want to have an intelligent debate, you should have someone who knows the facts. What Obama says is that he wore a flag pin after 9-11. That's not that 9-11 caused him to take it off. And that after --
WILLIAMS: Took it off after 9-11.
CORN: No, no. And then he took it off sometime after 9-11 --
WILLIAMS: As a - as a good ally --
[crosstalk]
HEMMER: Hang on.
CORN: Let me finish.
[crosstalk]
CORN: He took it off because he didn't like the run-up to the war, and he decided that you show your patriotism by your ideals, not by what you wear on your lapel. So you have it wrong, Mark. Mark, you owe him an apology.
HEMMER: David, you've made your point. Mark, is that the case? Is that a fact?
CORN: You owe him an apology, Mark.
HEMMER: Hang on, David. Mark, go ahead.
WILLIAMS: He took it off after 9/11. He said that he felt that the flag was becoming something -- it was becoming too noticeable, too high profile. He thought that people were wearing it in place of showing their patriotism. I mean, come on, what has Obama done to demonstrate the patriotism that he says doesn't belong on his lapel? What's he done to demonstrate that, except get out there, badmouth this country, and help demoralize the troops, and help do his part to undermine this nation?
CORN: You know, there are plenty of generals who don't support this war who have spoken out against it. I guess they're all unpatriotic in your view too. More Americans than not say the war was a mistake. Are they unpatriotic as well, Mark? You're putting yourself into a very small corner.
WILLIAMS: Are they throwing their flags into the gutter?
CORN: No one's throwing their flags into the gutter.
WILLIAMS: Maybe Obama would like a cloth flag and a match.
CORN: You know, you really should stick to some facts. I know on radio talk, rhetoric is what counts the most, but you're misstating the facts, and now you're branding everybody who's against the war as being unpatriotic? Some people would say that that's unpatriotic.
WILLIAMS: I'm talking about Obama --
HEMMER: Mark, you get the last word. Fire away.
WILLIAMS: I'm talking about Obama and the domestic enemies in the Democrat Party --
CORN: Oh, this is absurd.
WILLIAMS: -- who stand for everything this country was founded to oppose.
HEMMER: You guys are hot.
CORN: Well, I'm right and he's wrong.
HEMMER: David, thank you. Mark, thanks to you as well.
WILLIAMS: Thanks.
HEMMER: Something tells me that this isn't the last of this debate. See you guys.
Looks like that David Corn guy, other than being obnoxious and rude, was able to raise some pretty good points in Obama's defense.
Chris Matthews would have long since drowned a Republican counterpart in spittle...
Are you saying FoxNews ran this story longer than did any of the other news networks?
On more thing. None of your examples appear to occur during news segments.
But, again, I don't watch FoxNews so, I'm not familiar with all the programming.
I did a quick search on MSNBC and there were 247 hits on "Obama and lapel pin" in their programming files.
A quick scan showed the first couple of pages coming from their on air programs.
You mean FauxNews.
A program en led "America's Newsroom" isn't a news segment?
I suppose it depends on what the definition of "is" is.
Not necessarily. The format of the transcript seemed more like a Nightline segment or a Hardball segment where a moderator brings up a split screen or sets two opponents next to one another and elicits a debate.
I think of news segments being where the news is reported. That looked more like a venue for competing opinions...not news.
The question is , why is it a big deal? Fox's point is to leave the story out there so people can assume this is an issue..
My point was that I'm not convinced FoxNews "left the story out there" any longer than any of the other cable news programs.
MSNBC had quite a few hits itself...I haven't checked CNN.
But, on the more serious issue, I do think his response to why he wasn't wearing the pin raises a compelling issue as comically illustrated in the cartoon I posted.
Wearing or not wearing the pin depending on whether you think about it that morning or not, is one thing. Making a conscious decision not to wear it and then explaining it as some kind of political statement -- that makes no sense to many of us -- does warrant some attention.
Thank God we are finally talking about the important issues.
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speaking of questioning candidate's credibiltiy and judgement.. can we trust her?
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speaking of questioning candidate's credibiltiy and judgement.. can we trust her?
I think more of Obama (and I'm not a supporter) than the Current Occupant, who has pretty much wiped his ass with the Cons ution while dotting all of the symbolic "I"s of Patriotic appearance.
I ask this with all sincerety. Precisely which articles of the cons ution has President Bush used to wipe his ass?
C'mon, cite the Article, section, and paragraph.
Then, tell us all, why this rabid Congress hasn't already drafted articles of impeachment.
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Superiority complex anyone?
Fox and Friends is not any type of a news program except when they present a weak weather report. It is a discussion show, a more moderate version of something like The View.
What do you expect for a morning program? I don't care for it much myself.
What searches or seizures have been "unreasonable?" Who are you to decide? Doesn’t the ‘executor’ of the law decide such things as the final decider, as long as it doesn’t violate the cons ution?Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Ever look in a legal dictionary what a warrant is? It is not permission, but an order to do something. Issuing a warrant requires probable cause supported by someone’s word like a witness. Law enforcement personnel do not need a warrant if they have witnessed probable cause. A warrant is a way of delegating such action. Current rulings and laws to protect citizens rights do not override the presidents rights to exercise his power as executor of the law.
From my Barron’s Law Dictionary:
Again, a warrant is not permission to search, incarcerate, or seize. It is an order to do so!Warrant:
A written order or writ from a competent authority directing the doing of a certain act. 171 F. Supp. 393, 395.
No, just superiority. It's not a complex...it's a reality.
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