It's time now for Bowen to pass the torch to Udoka

[z0sa]

bowened should be some a word in the dictionary considering how often bowen does it

[e20dylan]

what ive noticed about this forum in my small stint of posting is that when 1 player has a bad game people here are ready to trade him in an instant. its like yall dont remember how many championships we got and how we got them. have some faith

[ShoogarBear]

Do you people understand point differentials?

Yes . . . the only one that matters is the one between teams.

NEXT.

For example, what is better?:

Bowen holds Kobe to 28 and scores 12

or

Udoka holds Kobe to 32 and scores 18


Do the math.


I'll wait.

Massive fail.

Bowen holds Kobe to 28 on 9 for 25 shooting while going one-on-one all night and scores 12 and Spurs win because nobody else on the Lakers touches the ball.

Udoka holds Kobe to 32 on 12 for 20 shooting and scores 18 and Spurs lose because Kobe isn't working nearly as hard.

[rascal]

When have the Spurs EVER even hinted at trading Bowen?


Why do haters have to continually make up?

What have I made up? Many here have stated that the only players on the spurs that have any trade value are Duncan Parker and Ginobili.

[SouthernFried]

IME did really great...

...in 1 game.

calm down.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Everyone that wants Udoka to start in place of Bowen that is bringing up the fact that he can score extremely better than Bruce, that's exactly why we need him to come off the bench. Do you want Bowen out there starting with the big three and not disrupting their offense and doing his job on defense while Udoka comes in with the second string to have a great opportunity to be one of the leaders on the offense AND defense, or do you want Udoka out there with the big 3 possibly disrupting the offense trying to create his own shot and Bowen coming off the bench and making the bench scoring drop?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Brilliant thinking, guys.

Then we have no one that can create their own shot off the bench whatsoever.

And putting Bowen on the bench will help?

[nkdlunch]

BUMP!

yeah, Udoka needs to replace Bowen.... in crackhead World!!!


stop smoking crack and recognize Bowen is #4 key to Spurs puzzle

[ChumpDumper]

What have I made up? Many here have stated that the only players on the spurs that have any trade value are Duncan Parker and Ginobili.

"Many?"

Who?

You?

How do you determine his trade value? By how much you hate him?

[anakha]

Udoka's has been doing very well on defense, and his offensive game is WAY ahead of Bowen. The Spurs have had trouble this season scoring and Bowen out there doesn't help matters.



Bowen needs to come off the bench

^
SD21, just killing time until Scola's next double-digit game.

[greens]

You might want to ask Ray Allen, Melo, or even Kobe himself how "overrated" Bowen is.

IIRC, in the previous meeting with the Lake Show this year, Bowen actually outscored Kobe. I think one meeting Bowen put up 22 while holding Kobe to about 15.

You also notice Bruce only logged 23 minutes while Kobe logged 40 something last night. When did Kobe get most of his points?

But Bruce deserves some rest now. He has expended more energy this season than any other Spur. His man is constantly on the move, and Bruce is right there with him.

No way is Bruce "overrated". He should have been DPOY at least twice, but lost to blockers like Wallace and Camby. Do you actually believe either of those guys could guard on the perimeter like Bowen?

And Bowen, probably coming to the end of his career, is still working on improving his game. This year he has developed a bit of an in between shot, and certainly has improved his free throws.

Finally, Bowen does what he was hired to do, and does it as good or better than anyone in the league.

Excellent post, I agree with all of your points.

Also, Kobe himself had said that the best defender he's ever played against is Bruce Bowen.

I'm shocked that certain Spurs fans can't see the value in what Bruce does. How about just a few months ago, against LeBron in the Finals? The guy is the best perimeter defender in the league, all the coaches and players see that.

I'm absolutely loving how Udoka is playing. He's a good defensive player, has really good offense, and is an amazing addition to the Spurs. But to basically put down Bruce is just wrong...

[Spurminator]

Didn't we have this discussion in, like, 2003 or 2004? How many of the players ahead of 2003's "Worst Starting Small Forward in the NBA" have since found their way out of the league?

[Ghost Writer]

timvp made a good point. Udoka does remind one of Bowen. Maybe he's not the answer either.

And yeah, you Bowen Blowers®, we know he plays good defense.

At least acknowledge that his offense sucks. He can't hit anything but the wide-open baseline 3 and that includes free throws.

[ambchang]

I agree, we need scoring in all five positions on the floor at all times, like the Mavs or Suns, or Kings of the early century, or the Blazers in the late 90s, look at how many rings those teams have won.
Bowen can't score! Get rid of him! A player is useless unless he can create his own shot. I would much rather have a guy like Marbury or Steve Franchise than Bowen on the Spurs, they can SCORE!

[Ghost Writer]

Get a grip.

We know the Spurs win with defense, but as the team continues to age and injuries occur, I'm not so sure we can get by with players that just defend.

[ambchang]

Yes, the Spurs have been suffering with Bowen long enough. It was lucky the Spurs "got by" with him at the starting lineup. If it wasn't for him, the Spurs would have won more championships by higher margins and better records.
Damned one-trick pony Bowen, he defends and do nothing else, his defense on the opposition's best perimeter player can only be gauged by that player's points scored, and can't be reflected with the opposition's disrupted offensive flow, reduction in the complimentary player's quality shots, fast break opportunties for the Spurs based on long rebounds (vs. made shots), etc ...
And him being an accurate 3 pt shooter on the other end certainly does little to open up the offense based on his paltry ppg average, we all knew Parker, Ginobili and Duncan would score the same amount of points if Bowen wasn't there to keep his defender out of the paint area.

[Russ]

With Barry out, the Spurs need both torches (and no Rockets).

[Ghost Writer]

That's great, ambchang.

How about hitting a free throw or cracking 10 PPG?

Question.

[T Park]

Bowen could do all that and you'd still hate him.


if he put on a headband tommarow you'd flip 180 on the guy.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

That's great, ambchang.

How about hitting a free throw or cracking 10 PPG?

Question.

I can't dispute the free throw issue, but Udoka only averaged 8.4 last year in Portland where he started 75 games. He's just not a big scorer.

[ambchang]

That's great, ambchang.

How about hitting a free throw or cracking 10 PPG?

Question.

You mean how your man Ime scores 8.4 ppg and making 0.9 FTs a game last year in his career year with Portland?



We all know the 4th or 5th option on the floor on every single winning team averages 10ppg and make FTs like Larry Bird does. Again, look at the Suns or the Warriors! How I wish the Spurs score more and win less.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

I'm a huge Bowen fan, he should have 2 DPOY awards by now, but he's done


and the Spurs can't afford his sporadic play anymore

[Kori Ellis]

I think maybe that Finley should pass his flashlight to Udoka instead.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think maybe that Finley should pass his flashlight to Udoka instead.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

I think maybe that Finley should pass his flashlight to Udoka instead.

this I agree with too



why doesn't Udoka just take Finely's spot?