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Well, duh.
Nesterovic was not worth mentioning.
The cleared cap space for a stud.
Not Rasho.
Kidd and Nesterovic, cupcake. That was the plan.
Well, duh.
Nesterovic was not worth mentioning.
The cleared cap space for a stud.
Not Rasho.
They cleared space for Kidd and Rasho.
It's worth mentioning because that's what they were actually doing.
Rasho was Pop's first choice to replace DRob (in a summer that was supposed to net both Rasho and Kidd). Pop even went to Slovenia to sign Rasho.
How about the last time the Spurs made a deal that helped the club? Is it a bad trade if two teams trade roughly equal talent, but one team (the team you root for) revamps its roster by trading for something that it didn't have, even if it didn't get over on its trading partner in the deal?
It seems pretty clear to me that (aside from your penchant for revisionist history) the deal to acquire Nazr made a major difference to the Spurs in 2005 and netted them a le. I'd take a trade that improves the team over one that just gets a better player but doesn't make the team better.
Dude, please.
They may have also wanted a center, but the idea was to clear cap space for a star.
I can't believe we're arguing this.
The Holt-ing Pattern was a failure in that Rasho and Rasho alone was not the plan.
The Spurs can't acquire stars.
You can pretend they choose not to, but I don't think they could if they wanted to.
I'm sorry, I wasn't here the first time you posted here, but is this your schtick? Make random claims, make no counterarguments and essentially do as little as possible to support your beliefs. Why not search the Express-News archives for something that says the Spurs' first choice was not Rasho?
Oberto/Elson/Barry/some 2nd picks for Wallace
Spurs will be confirmed for a 3peat
You are sorry.
I can try to put you in a time machine or implore you to use logic, but I can assure you that 2003 was not the quest for Rasho.
Don't fault me if you can't follow my points.
What don't you get?
The Spurs don't and/or can't sign or trade for superior talent.
The franchise has been successful in getting #1 lottery picks and building around that great fortune with conservative, calculated moves that attempt address weaknesses.
That's not even enough salary to get Ben.
Here endeth the thread.
And the problem with that is?
Um, what happens if we can't get that third all-franchise center with the #1 pick?
Or a greedy fan might wonder how many more les we'd have if the front office went out and got proven talent to play alongside the homegrown players.
Ghost Writers point goes without saying. I don't see how you support the Rasho was a move for moves sake point. It was never about getting that guy. It was all about Kidd.
I agree again its as if people don't see that the Spurs landed once in a lifetime players twice. No Timmy no rings is was random lotto luck. You could transplant Tim on most any other team, surround him with aged role players sans the egos and find success.
if u can get ben wo losing parker, manu, or duncan, do it
So which four players do you want to send out to get one guy back?
Wow.
BacktoBasics, you are a breath of fresh air.
Thanks.
Are we trying to have it both ways again?
Win now.
This I agree with.
I agree we should work on getting Duncan's replacement right now!
Tank the season while there is still time!
C'mon.
I know you homers like to point to all the success and attribute it to shrewd moves and smart draft picks and the like, but face it...
The Spurs got two all-franchise centers with #1 draft picks.
Only a handful of team have done that once, let alone twice.
So excuse the rest of us for getting antsy that the front office doesn't bring in proven starpower ever.
Not only does it make me feel like we could've won more les, but it doesn't give me a lot of hope for when Duncan retires.
Are we going to become like the Wolves?
Here you go ing up a perfectly good thread again. NO ONE SAID SEND 4 FOR 1. Ben is nothing more than a piece of getting
1. Young aggressive talent...Thomas
2. Draft pics
Its like "yeah we'll eat Wallace's contract for some potential in another player and a pic. Plus Wallace in the Spurs system > Elson and Oberto combined.
I don't trade straight up for Wallace, there has to be additional motivation.
I don't understand why the Spurs good drafting and luck in Duncan's case is held against them.
That's how it happened, and the Spurs got their big three stars that way. Others won't be satisfied unless they trade for 12 more stars. That's not how NBA teams work.
-- had we listened to some posters here, we would have traded Parker for Gary Payton. Where would that get us now?
Which players are you going to trade? There has to be at least four unless you want to trade Parker or Manu. Go ahead and give us your awesome trade and tell us why Paxson goes for it. That's how these things work.
You mean to tell me you fully expect this team to continue drafting star players like Gino, Parker, TD, DRob, Elliott and so forth.... two of those three weren't successful until the third(TD) arrived. You cannot solely survive via the draft and I'm certainly not holding it against them I just know that they have always had this notion to keep the cap clear for FA's and time has proven that they never come regardless of their ability to contend year and year out.
Teams are way more in tune with scouting these days than years before. I really think SA was ahead of their time there. So consider it a success but real long term success is built on the ability to accept change. They can't bank on finding obscure talent in the draft anymore than they can bank on premier FA's coming to SA. Whats left is aquiring talent via trade of expiring deals.
I'm not saying do for s sake but sometimes you have to give to get. Its always been about steal it for nothing or do nothing. I'd like to see them loosen up a bit since the league has evolved and adapted.
We probably would have won the le back when we were talking about trading Parker for Payton circa 2001-02. Who knows? Parker was not proven at the time. And we can't predict how we'd move on from Payton or if the Spurs would've changed focus in 2003. We have no idea.
Don't exaggerate, either.
We complainers would be quieted if the front office managed to acquire or retain any star-quality player outside of the draft.
Just one.
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