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    In his image - The Bible

    Therefore, god is flawed.
    Yea, I'll never understand because I use reason.



    Sure you do

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    Answer this question:

    Did god create man in his image?


    Take your time answering the question and I urge you to open the bible to the book of Genesis to find your answer.

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    I follow it, peewee. The issue is that the "animal statement" is irrelevant. Who cares what happend with the animals? Humans are not animals and have free will. That is why there is evil in the World. Get it?
    Did god give animals free will?
    Did god give animals the ability to discern right from wrong?


    Read my quote. I said the same thing (you compared Faith in God to a desire that tomorrow there will be sun). The comparison is stupid. That is my point.

    Why is it stupid?

    You believe that god is there without knowing it.
    I believe that the sun will come out tomorrow without knowing it.

    Same concept.


    Man it is difficult to have any kind of conversation with you.

    I'm just the box grinder.

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    Answer this question:

    Did god create man in his image?


    Take your time answering the question and I urge you to open the bible to the book of Genesis to find your answer.
    Do you know what "image" means?

    I will tell you what it does not mean. It does not mean "made of the same substance".

    God and Man are not the same.

    Please tell me you get it.

    Otherwise, hit the books.

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    Did god give animals free will?
    Did god give animals the ability to discern right from wrong?
    Do you know what free will is? You don't. Again . . . hit the ing books. Or google it.


    Why is it stupid?

    You believe that god is there without knowing it.
    I believe that the sun will come out tomorrow without knowing it.

    Same concept.
    Exact same concept

    The belief that this World was not became what it is simply by chance, that human beings don't evolve from unicelular beings. The belief that each human being has something unique, that never dies. The belief if there is a Creation, there is a Creator.

    You compare these beliefs with the knowledge that the Earth is round and rotates to the East.

    Bravo!

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    Do you know what "image" means?

    I will tell you what it does not mean. It does not mean "made of the same substance".

    God and Man are not the same.

    Please tell me you get it.

    Otherwise, hit the books.

    Ahem!:

    Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

    im·age /ˈɪmɪdʒ/ noun, verb, -aged, -ag·ing.

    –noun 1. a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing, photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.
    2. an optical counterpart or appearance of an object, as is produced by reflection from a mirror, refraction by a lens, or the passage of luminous rays through a small aperture and their reception on a surface.
    3. a mental representation; idea; conception.
    4. Psychology. a mental representation of something previously perceived, in the absence of the original stimulus.
    5. form; appearance; semblance: We are all created in God's image.
    6. counterpart; copy: That child is the image of his mother.
    7. a symbol; emblem.
    8. the general or public perception of a company, public figure, etc., esp. as achieved by careful calculation aimed at creating widespread goodwill.
    9. a type; embodiment: Red-faced and angry, he was the image of frustration.
    10. a description of something in speech or writing: Keats created some of the most beautiful images in the language.
    11. Rhetoric. a figure of speech, esp. a metaphor or a simile.
    12. an idol or representation of a deity: They knelt down before graven images.
    13. Mathematics. the point or set of points in the range corresponding to a designated point in the domain of a given function.
    14. Archaic. an illusion or apparition.
    –verb (used with object) 15. to picture or represent in the mind; imagine; conceive.
    16. to make an image of; portray in sculpture, painting, etc.
    17. to project (photographs, film, etc.) on a surface: Familiar scenes were imaged on the screen.
    18. to reflect the likeness of; mirror.
    19. to set forth in speech or writing; describe.
    20. to symbolize; typify.
    21. to resemble.
    22. Informal. to create an image for (a company, public figure, etc.): The candidate had to be imaged before being put on the campaign trail.
    23. to transform (data) into an exact replica in a different form, as changing digital data to pixels for display on a CRT or representing a medical scan of a body part in digital form.







    "Hit the books" . . . what a ing moron.

    It looks like you need some to do.

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    Do you know what free will is? You don't. Again . . . hit the ing books. Or google it.

    Since you're so sure about everything . . . why don't you explain what free will is?

    And, explain you're "I'd rather have free will than to be a robot" comment you made a few posts back.

    That is, if you can remember what you posted.


    Exact same concept

    The belief that this World was not became what it is simply by chance, that human beings don't evolve from unicelular beings. The belief that each human being has something unique, that never dies. The belief if there is a Creation, there is a Creator.

    You compare these beliefs with the knowledge that the Earth is round and rotates to the East.

    Bravo!
    No, you moron.

    I said that I have faith that it will be sunny tomorrow.

    But, it could very well rain or just be overcast so that it won't be sunny.

    Next time, I'll draw out what I'm posting so you can understand it.

    I'll even number each letter so you can do the whole color by number thing.

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    If we are created in god's image and he made a likeness of himself in man, and man became evil . . . that means that he either intentionaly made man flawed or he's just a huge up when it comes to creating things.

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    If we are created in god's image and he made a likeness of himself in man, and man became evil . . . that means that he either intentionaly made man flawed or he's just a huge up when it comes to creating things.
    That those are the only two possibilities for you says more about your limitations than God's.

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    There's no need to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons, because Mutual Assured Destruction would keep the peace as it did during the Cold War, and as it keeps the US out of NK, with Israel and US sure to punish any nuclear attacks by Iran, with much heavier response. Iran would be destroyed. They aren't that stupid.
    The idea of mutually assured destruction works when both sides want to stay alive and value their own lives.

    It doesn't work when you are dealing with a bunch of radicals who think dieing in the name of the sword will get them an express ticket to 72 virgins and eternal life in Heaven.

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    Hmm. Despite the exhilerating nature of the debate already going on, I see the need to interject a couple of brief comments here, to steer this one in the right direction.

    (1) I'm not so sure that the English word "image" very well translates what the ancient Israelites meant by the term. Surely, the Old Testament, with its numerous and forecful passages against idolatry and for monotheism, couldn't also teach that man was created in the bodily form of God. (Incidentally, the early Mormons understood "image" just this way, and from this derived their idea that God is, indeed, an exalted man and that people are just gods in embryo.) By "image," the Hebrews denoted a nature that reflected, albeit dimly, the nature of God: an inclination to worship, a moral nature, a desire for spiritual things, etc.

    (2) We still need to take into account Genesis 3 -- the account of the Fall. Whatever in the world the Fall entailed, the central point is that the world that resulted is not as God intended. So the problem was not with creation, which was "very good," but with us. This will naturally raise the question: why would God create a world that He knew would fall away and contain evil? And so, our atheist colleagues are throwing the problem of evil at us, as if it's a fatal challenge to theism.

    On the other hand, Christians also grapple with the problem of evil. It is a significant question, but not an ultimately fatal one. I can go into the various ways that theism handles it (in fact, in a far more satisfactory way that atheism), but that would be about 30% of an introductory philosophy of religion course, which I don't have time to do. But I'd like to help.

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    The idea of mutually assured destruction works when both sides want to stay alive and value their own lives.

    It doesn't work when you are dealing with a bunch of radicals who think dieing in the name of the sword will get them an express ticket to 72 virgins and eternal life in Heaven.
    Yes. MAD would not be a good idea here for exactly those reasons. And I am still not sure why some folks think, somehow, the U.S. is the bad guy, and Iran is a benevolent (or less-bad) nation only interested in pursuing their protection against American aggression. That is certainly the presupposition they bring to the table.

    I'm not sure how to reason against it. The only thing you can do, I guess, is defeat it.

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    pewee, I support your views, but if they want to believe in Gods and religions, let them. There's no point trying to argue with faith, they are different fields of rhetoric. I have my "faith" -if I can call it that way- in reason, human progress, science, social justice, equal distribution of wealth, pacifism and a long etc.

    One day in the future people will look back and mock at those who based their lifes in fear of punishment in the afterlife. Or laugh at those who in the name of the suposedly different values that each religion represented fought bloody wars, when in truth it was all about controlling the means of production. They will be amused at those ideas like we are now at the idea of a flat Earth, the Sun orbiting around our planet, the idea that some mythological superbeing created the universe, or the notion that supreme being designated kings and popes to rule the rest of humanity.

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    God's a hot topic on the board.

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    I follow it, peewee. The issue is that the "animal statement" is irrelevant. Who cares what happend with the animals? Humans are not animals and have free will. That is why there is evil in the World. Get it?
    I take offense to that on behalf of my pets. My cats most certainly have highly intelligent minds and a great degree of free will and reasoning capability.

    They are more human-like than many humans I know.

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    Ahem!:

    Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

    im·age /ˈɪmɪdʒ/ noun, verb, -aged, -ag·ing.

    –noun 1. a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing, photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.
    2. an optical counterpart or appearance of an object, as is produced by reflection from a mirror, refraction by a lens, or the passage of luminous rays through a small aperture and their reception on a surface.
    3. a mental representation; idea; conception.
    4. Psychology. a mental representation of something previously perceived, in the absence of the original stimulus.
    5. form; appearance; semblance: We are all created in God's image.
    6. counterpart; copy: That child is the image of his mother.
    7. a symbol; emblem.
    8. the general or public perception of a company, public figure, etc., esp. as achieved by careful calculation aimed at creating widespread goodwill.
    9. a type; embodiment: Red-faced and angry, he was the image of frustration.
    10. a description of something in speech or writing: Keats created some of the most beautiful images in the language.
    11. Rhetoric. a figure of speech, esp. a metaphor or a simile.
    12. an idol or representation of a deity: They knelt down before graven images.
    13. Mathematics. the point or set of points in the range corresponding to a designated point in the domain of a given function.
    14. Archaic. an illusion or apparition.
    –verb (used with object) 15. to picture or represent in the mind; imagine; conceive.
    16. to make an image of; portray in sculpture, painting, etc.
    17. to project (photographs, film, etc.) on a surface: Familiar scenes were imaged on the screen.
    18. to reflect the likeness of; mirror.
    19. to set forth in speech or writing; describe.
    20. to symbolize; typify.
    21. to resemble.
    22. Informal. to create an image for (a company, public figure, etc.): The candidate had to be imaged before being put on the campaign trail.
    23. to transform (data) into an exact replica in a different form, as changing digital data to pixels for display on a CRT or representing a medical scan of a body part in digital form.







    "Hit the books" . . . what a ing moron.

    It looks like you need some to do.
    Cutting and pasting the definition of image does not mean you have understood it.

    Read the definition you yourself posted and learn from it. You will see there that it is pretty clear image = the same.

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    Since you're so sure about everything . . . why don't you explain what free will is?
    Free will is chosing between option A and option B, knowing what the consequences of my choices are.

    And, explain you're "I'd rather have free will than to be a robot" comment you made a few posts back.
    What part did you not understand? The phrase pretty much explains itself.



    No, you moron.

    I said that I have faith that it will be sunny tomorrow.

    But, it could very well rain or just be overcast so that it won't be sunny.

    Next time, I'll draw out what I'm posting so you can understand it.

    I'll even number each letter so you can do the whole color by number thing.
    As I said before, you compare Faith with desire of something happening.

    Good for you.

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    One day in the future people will look back and mock at those who based their lifes in fear of punishment in the afterlife.

    Humanity has had 2000 years to do what you say.


    Or laugh at those who in the name of the suposedly different values that each religion represented fought bloody wars, when in truth it was all about controlling the means of production. They will be amused at those ideas like we are now at the idea of a flat Earth, the Sun orbiting around our planet, the idea that some mythological superbeing created the universe, or the notion that supreme being designated kings and popes to rule the rest of humanity.
    Interesting to see how you can see the future.

    Nostradamus es un poroto . . .

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    I take offense to that on behalf of my pets. My cats most certainly have highly intelligent minds and a great degree of free will and reasoning capability.

    They are more human-like than many humans I know.
    My dog, OTOH, is pretty stupid.

    But so are many humans . . .

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    , that human beings don't evolve from unicelular beings.

    We didn't. We evolved from some form of hominid that had trillions of cells...

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    God's a hot topic on the board.

    But can you find a 'board with God on it at Hot Topic?

    oooh somebody stop me...

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    he's just a huge up when it comes to creating things.
    If that is what you were trying to prove, simply take a look at a platipus. That is a major -up . . .

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    We didn't. We evolved from some form of hominid that had trillions of cells...
    Sure . . . but before being that nid, we must have been something else.

    This is one of the reasons why I started believing in a higher being. Evolving by chance from an ameba just doesn't cut it for me.

    Man is far too complex to have evolved by chance.

    Evolution with a guiding hand, that I can believe. Evolution by mere coincidence . . . nah.

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