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That depends.........and by Depends, I mean do you wear an adult diaper?
I weigh 225 and I urinate. Does that mean I can't go to church?I'm glad I'm not the only twisted one. I was thinking "tie him up in the cry room".
Seriously, if he's 225# and urinating, he needs to NOT be there. The woman is being unreasonable. I'm guessing that if he's 13 and that size that he is also not mainstreamed at school.
That depends.........and by Depends, I mean do you wear an adult diaper?
as you have pointed out, Luke 15 seems to be totally against it, which is why i brought up Judas as the exception...he was part of the flock, was he not? One of the 12 as you pointed out. Jesus was aware of his lost sheep. He sacrificed his sheep for the good of the many...none of us can say it wasn't in His power to stop the betrayal...but whatever the reason...it is what it is...can we blame a church for doing the same?
leaving the 99 to go after the 1 sheep is not a good analogy in this case.
If that one particular sheep started urinating on, started biting the other sheep or came down with rabies, then that sheep has to be separated from the rest of the flock........possibly with a restraining order.
even so, the church has opened it's door to this family and tried to make what I think are reasonable accomodations by allowing them an actual feed in the church building itself on Sundays.
I have to say that I'm surprised that most of you feel he should be removed from church. I'm a catholic and attend mass (almost) every week. Both of the parishes I have attended in SA over the last 8 years have autistic and/or mentally re ed children and adults. True, they sometimes act out, but it's nothing when you take into consideration the actions of so called normal children during mass. I have seen parents with children, whose screams would pierce the eardrums of someone a football field away, just sit there and act oblivious through an hour & a half mass. There are kids kicking, climbing all over the pews and throwing things at anyone in their reach.
When a child who is mentally challenged acts out, my first and only thought is "God Bless them!!! They must be amazing to make the commitment to do all that it takes to get this child to mass every week." So the kid pees in church once in a while. How many babies pee & poop and then leak on Mom or Dad?
I saw in the article that this family always sits in the back of the church. It sounds as though they are doing the right thing to try and minimize interaction while still being able to show this young man how faith is supposed to be practiced.
I guess I missed the part at orientation that said only the normal are allowed to attend mass. I suppose the next step is to ban people who don't bathe often enough for our tastes too! Ooh, then we could start in on the fashion challenged after that?
Children with developmental delays and disorders such as autism often qualify for and receive services/therapies. Maybe one of the child's therapists or habilitation workers could attend church with the family and see if there are accomodations that can be made or if there are certain triggers that are setting off the behaviors.
For example, if he is hypersensitive to auditory input (music, singing) that might be a time to take him for a break or a walk or something. Or if he's sensitive to touch and eye contact and gets overwhelmed during the whole handshaking, peace be with you part of Catholic mass.
Unfortunately, it sounds like it's too late for something like that since it's already gone to restraining orders and legal stuff. Too bad, I think there are people in the community who could have helped the family and the church work this out.
Yeah, it's the same thing, except completely different.I have to say that I'm surprised that most of you feel he should be removed from church. I'm a catholic and attend mass (almost) every week. Both of the parishes I have attended in SA over the last 8 years have autistic and/or mentally re ed children and adults. True, they sometimes act out, but it's nothing when you take into consideration the actions of so called normal children during mass. I have seen parents with children, whose screams would pierce the eardrums of someone a football field away, just sit there and act oblivious through an hour & a half mass. There are kids kicking, climbing all over the pews and throwing things at anyone in their reach.
When a child who is mentally challenged acts out, my first and only thought is "God Bless them!!! They must be amazing to make the commitment to do all that it takes to get this child to mass every week." So the kid pees in church once in a while. How many babies pee & poop and then leak on Mom or Dad?
I saw in the article that this family always sits in the back of the church. It sounds as though they are doing the right thing to try and minimize interaction while still being able to show this young man how faith is supposed to be practiced.
I guess I missed the part at orientation that said only the normal are allowed to attend mass. I suppose the next step is to ban people who don't bathe often enough for our tastes too! Ooh, then we could start in on the fashion challenged after that?
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4885322&page=2She said her son makes spitting faces but doesn't spit and acknowledged he has occasional problems with incontinence. She says that she and her husband sit on Adam because their weight calms him down, which is why he pulled the girl onto him.
She also said they do use soft straps to bind Adam's hands and feet on occasion because it calms him, as does the revving sound of engines, which is why he started the cars.
So, they have to sit on him/strap him down or else he'll grab other children, knock other people over and/or start other parishioner's cars in the parking lot, revving the engine.
Yeah, it's the church that is being unreasonable.
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