Im sorry but if I go to church is to connect with God, not to acquire some sort of status.
Even at her home she keeps her son in a separate room from her other children. Seems to me that she is being rather unreasonable.
Yea or gag the kid and wheel him in, in 4pt restraints!!!sorry.
Seriously, if he's 225# and urinating, he needs to NOT be there. The woman is being unreasonable. I'm guessing that if he's 13 and that size that he is also not mainstreamed at school.
what LV should do is get some sun...
not really...i mean...probobaly just as much as he loves the starving kids in africa...
sure they can. it's Jesus forgiveness and enlightenment they are preaching...not their own...and even Jesus knew, just like Spock, that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...
Um, no. Read Luke 15 again. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...=15&version=31
It has three parables of Jesus -- the parable of the lost sheep, the parable of the lost coin, and the parable of the lost son.
You're right. This church appears to have been more than reasonable with this family. My only concern is that perhaps this could serve as an outreach opportunity, oddly enough, to families with special-needs kids, and I hope the church is not missing out on it.
Seriously, if he's 225# and urinating, he needs to NOT be there. The woman is being unreasonable. I'm guessing that if he's 13 and that size that he is also not mainstreamed at school.
does Judas count as a lost sheep...or is he the exception?
Well, Judas is an interesting case. He certainly did some bad things that deserved punishment. And I would argue that he did certain things to fulfill OT prophecy and when he was "not in his right mind."
But don't doubt for a minute that Jesus loved him and prayed for his restoration. He most certainly did. And even if, say, he hated Judas (makes no sense, Judas was one of the 12), how does it follow that he, or the church, hates or doesn't care about handicapped kids? Or us?
Sometimes people make choices, horrible choices, and they have to face the music for it, whether it be broken relationships, maybe time in prison, maybe eternal punishment. But that does not negate the love Christ has for each of us. Do I need to provide scripture, or will you take my word for it?
Well, this kid is an interesting case. He certainly did some bad things that deserved punishment. And I would argue that he did certain things when he was "not in his right mind."
But don't doubt for a minute that the Church loves him and prays for his restoration. They most certainly do.
Sometimes people make choices, horrible choices, and they have to face the music for it, whether it be peeing in the holy water, the alter, etc. But that does not negate the love Christ or the Church has for each of us.
Do I need to continue posting or will you take your word for it?
At this point, I'm not even sure what your position is. I'm all for the church "banning" him from the services. They've been more than reasonable. But let's not construe it as a lack of love for the family. Certainly Jesus does not love him less.
Is that your position?
Judas did what he was supposed to do, no surprises there.
Hmm ... I've grappled with that one ever since I became a Christian. How and to what extent did Judas have free will in the matter? I don't know. I'm open to all logical, biblically-based arguments either way. I still don't see what Judas has to do with a special-needs kid.
why is Judas even a point of discussion here? Did I miss the part of scripture that stated "and Judas, the 12th disciple, was stricken with autism"?
Not sure. A couple of folks asserted that maybe God doesn't love special-needs people, or the poor, as much. I said yes he does, and gave biblical examples. The reply was, was Judas an exception? I said probably not, and how is it relevant? And that's where we are.
Judas falls in that sub category under pre-destination. Same thing when Jesus told Peter about the crowing three times.
We have free will, but God has already seen our future.
Last edited by Blake; 06-03-2008 at 11:59 AM. Reason: double send
This aint even about God. This is about a mother who has absolutely no consideration for the general public. Her kid is violent she has to accept it and accomodate it.
yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
I basically agree. My only concern is that the church could use this as an opportunity to reach out the the family, that's all.
And God got dragged into this by, as it usually happens, when some posters say something strange or dumb about God. A message-board drive-by, so to speak -- pull up, roll down the window, say something bigoted against religion, and then drive off. Happens all the time. And I guess I can't help myself to help clean up the mess when this happens.
But this by no means should discourage the large number of honest people who have genuine questions about God and religion in general. Most posts about God are rather decent.
They need to get that kid a pinball machine.
and watch out for Uncle Ernie...
my point was that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...
i think we are all in agreement the the problem is the mother doesn't see it this way...i can't blame her...it's her kid...i'd fight for my kid too...but sensibility has to take hold at some point...
Okay, so we almost agree. I agree that the woman is not being reasonable.
I'd only question your assertion that the "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." This is an ethical philosophy known as utilitarianism, and it's popular today. Most of politics is utilitarian. But is that the ethic that we find in scripture? I'm not sure -- indeed, Luke 15 seems to be totally against it.
Whether's it's one or a thousand, the number of people is not an issue.
I think when the needs of others get hindered in this manner, then something has to be done.
It's a shame on certain levels, but a lot of this simply falls on mom being selfish. Her desire to make sure she doesn't 'sin' is doing more harm than good for everyone involved.
LMAO. Just which church would that be?
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