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    Yea or gag the kid and wheel him in, in 4pt restraints!!! sorry.


    Yeah, it could work.

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    Yeah, it could work.
    Oh you're baaad! Worse than me.

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    with technology being what it is, I don't see why the church needs to make a special exception for this kid.

    Being in the actual building should be far down the list of priorities as far as what you should get out of the Sunday sermon.
    Jesus preached a very personal gospel. Read the new testament.

    Having gone through some family stress in my own life, a lot of times what you need is the fellowship- to be known and to feel that people care about you specifically.
    To me, that is true Christianity.

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    with technology being what it is, I don't see why the church needs to make a special exception for this kid.

    Being in the actual building should be far down the list of priorities as far as what you should get out of the Sunday sermon.
    Granted, it's been a long time since I've attended any kind of church, but for me the reason for going was to bring myself closer to God's word and presence through a connection with other like-minded people. For a lot of Christians, that socialization is a big part of the way they express their faith.

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    Jesus preached a very personal gospel. Read the new testament.

    Having gone through some family stress in my own life, a lot of times what you need is the fellowship- to be known and to feel that people care about you specifically.
    To me, that is true Christianity.
    most, pretty much all churches have ministry that reaches out to the community and it's members.

    I'm not sure what you think the church should do.....have a mass every week in their house? pass out the little crackers? shake hands with each other?

    There is a line of what's reasonable, even for a church, that they should be able to say 'ok, that's as far as we can go'.

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    Granted, it's been a long time since I've attended any kind of church, but for me the reason for going was to bring myself closer to God's word and presence through a connection with other like-minded people. For a lot of Christians, that socialization is a big part of the way they express their faith.
    right, but at what point does disturbing the rest of the church patrons become the issue? I don't want to get urinated on at church and I think I'm being reasonable when I say that.

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    most, pretty much all churches have ministry that reaches out to the community and it's members.

    I'm not sure what you think the church should do.....have a mass every week in their house? pass out the little crackers? shake hands with each other?

    There is a line of what's reasonable, even for a church, that they should be able to say 'ok, that's as far as we can go'.
    Why couldn't the priest (If the parish is small enough) or a deacon come by once a week and administer the sacrament? Don't they do the same thing in nursing homes and hospitals for their parishioners?

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    I'm rather proud of myself for having the will power to not post the sloth pic from Goonies where he is chained to the wall.

    Of course, google image search doesn't work at my job...

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    I'm rather proud of myself for having the will power to not post the sloth pic from Goonies where he is chained to the wall.

    Of course, google image search doesn't work at my job...
    You are a bad, bad, and very funny man.

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    I'm rather proud of myself for having the will power to not post the sloth pic from Goonies where he is chained to the wall.

    Of course, google image search doesn't work at my job...

    Ha! Someone who is worse than me mrsmaalox

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    In all seriousness..growing up we had the same situation with a neighbor but he was much smaller than the lad in this story. He got more dangerous as he got older and he eventually had to be moved to an assisted living type home. He didn't look autistic by any means but every female in the area was wary of him.It all started with him standing in a tree at the park yelling at girls as they walked by. At first his parents scoffed at this being a problem but within 4 years he was a registered sex offender.

    Perception is reality I suppose with these type of situations. Everytime a girl came by my house I would wait out front and make sure he wasn't near by when they walked inside.

    Difficult situation for the church members.

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    most, pretty much all churches have ministry that reaches out to the community and it's members.

    I'm not sure what you think the church should do.....have a mass every week in their house? pass out the little crackers? shake hands with each other?

    There is a line of what's reasonable, even for a church, that they should be able to say 'ok, that's as far as we can go'.
    If your people feel neglected, I think that should motivate you to reach out even more.

    It doesn't have to be the same person who visits all the time, either.
    But if your church won't love you and help you no matter what, who will?

    Of course, I come from a very family oriented church. More than just everyone having their own families, people at my church look out for each other like they would their own family.

    It is a rare and very refreshing quality.

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    Surely there is a church for handicapped people right? I mean god loves them too...

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    Surely there is a church for handicapped people right? I mean god loves them too...
    That's my Heath, always thinking 24/7!! You are absolutely right. All hospitals have chapels and regular services. Anyone is welcome and I believe the family would find themselves accepted and understood.

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    Why couldn't the priest (If the parish is small enough) or a deacon come by once a week and administer the sacrament? Don't they do the same thing in nursing homes and hospitals for their parishioners?
    I agree, but from what I understand from this article, this mom wants her and her son to be in the church every Sunday with all the other people.

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    If your people feel neglected, I think that should motivate you to reach out even more.

    It doesn't have to be the same person who visits all the time, either.
    But if your church won't love you and help you no matter what, who will?

    Of course, I come from a very family oriented church. More than just everyone having their own families, people at my church look out for each other like they would their own family.

    It is a rare and very refreshing quality.
    ok, I guess I'm not getting what you are suggesting.

    Seems to me though that the church has done everything reasonable, but this lady just doesn't want to leave the actual church grounds:

    Walz did not return calls seeking comment, but Jane Marrin, who works for the Diocese of St. Cloud and is acting as a spokeswoman for the parish, said the church board tried working with the Races to find "reasonable accommodations." That included offering a video feed of Mass that could be watched in the church basement.

    The family refused all suggestions, she said.
    "It's a difficult issue," Marrin said. "There are no easy answers."
    Carol Race dismissed the church's suggestion that Adam watch a video feed in the church basement, saying that "does not have the same status as attending Mass. Otherwise we could all just sit home and watch it on TV and not bother to come in."

    "It's considered a sin in the Catholic church not to attend Mass on Sundays and every holy day of obligation," she said. "And that's what this is about. I'm just trying to fulfill my obligations."

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    You may be right.

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    Granted, it's been a long time since I've attended any kind of church, but for me the reason for going was to bring myself closer to God's word and presence through a connection with other like-minded people. For a lot of Christians, that socialization is a big part of the way they express their faith.
    Yes, exactly. That is a crucial aspect that the church provides -- the desire to be with other believers and worship with them in community. Technology can never replace that. And after all, how can you say you love God, and blow off his church?

    But the church can certainly use this as an outreach possibility.

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    This is kind of a touch choice.

    I don't see how that Church can ban the kid and still claim to be the voice of God etc.


    Maybe they should get some volunteers to help the family mind him when's at Church.


    On the urination thing...

    The Church said he urinated on parts of the Church..the Mom didn't deny that, what she said was that he didn't urinate on any one .


    It is a tough choice but IMO, they can't be banning that kid from Church and then simultaneously speaking of forgiveness and enlightenment.

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    Yes, exactly. That is a crucial aspect that the church provides -- the desire to be with other believers and worship with them in community. Technology can never replace that. And after all, how can you say you love God, and blow off his church?

    But the church can certainly use this as an outreach possibility.
    actually, there are churches where you can 'be with others and worship with them' online.

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    This is kind of a touch choice.

    I don't see how that Church can ban the kid and still claim to be the voice of God etc.

    It is a tough choice but IMO, they can't be banning that kid from Church and then simultaneously speaking of forgiveness and enlightenment.
    We don't know the exact details, but they said they tried to work out reasonable accomodations to which they declined.

    At some point, the "Christian" mom needs to give in a bit and try to meet the church halfway.

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    The thing that gets me is the fact that there was no mention of any needs based ministries, like a disabiled ministry or something. I'm no Catholic, but at my church there are special services and accomodations made for people with disabilities, disruptive or not.

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    actually, there are churches where you can 'be with others and worship with them' online.
    Yes, I have heard of these churches. Assuming that we're both talking about churches which are mostly online (and not just regular churches with a website), I'm not sure how much of a future they have. A major motif of the church (and the Gospel in general) is the importance of real relationships with people who are physically with you worshiping. Without a real physical body, I don't how the church survives.

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