Yeah, even though he (Stuckey) played lesser compe ion and probably will be s shocked when playing against athletic, quick, long players of the nba at first, I still think a player that loves scoring never loses his confidence or his edge. I think he'll still be a potent although not magnificent offensive player in the nba.
For a trade scenario with scola
i think it's not a good idea to package scola for a pick or something else
nobody knows if he can really plays in the nba and at what level , from what we heard he's one of the best PF in Europe , IMO it's better to bring him in the roster than trading him for a guy we don't know his real value (rookie)
For a nocioni type or another good player it's not the same but i prefer to see him as a spurs instead of trading him without knowing what he can do .....
Scola's stats: points 15.5, rebounds 5.9, assists 2.2, minutes 27. I wouldn't think he can play allstar at the NBA level since, at the most in the euroleague compe ion, he is averaging 27 minutes a game. In the playoffs, his minutes only increased by 2.And the compe ion of the average NBA frontcourt s on the Euroleague allstar frontcourt. So if he is still getting the same minutes with an NBA team, I see him at the highest peak getting 11 points and 6 rebounds. And I'm being generous. So I'm all for trading him. But if we sign him, he better not counted on as being a big part of the team. Especially in the playoffs where his points average went down to 10.
what i mean it's not trading him for nothing and that he probably be better than a lot of draft prospectsScola's stats: points 15.5, rebounds 5.9, assists 2.2, minutes 27. I wouldn't think he can play allstar at the NBA level since, at the most in the euroleague compe ion, he is averaging 27 minutes a game. In the playoffs, his minutes only increased by 2.
but if we trade him for a good nba player why not
???
A lot of spurs fans wants to trade scola in order to have a better pick
IMO his value is better than a mid first round pick
and it's difficult to project what he can do in the nba so i'm not for a scola trade exept for a good player who already have some experience.
Here's the most recent mock draft post lottery. Earlier I said I didn't want Pruitt as a first rounder, but if he is there when the Spurs pick 28th then why not. He certainly has real potential to be a kick ass combo guard. Maybe then we could get McGuire with the 33rd as well.
Espn Chad Ford's Mock Draft: USC Pruitt to SA
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Chad Ford's Mock Draft: Picks 1-30
By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Updated: May 22, 2007
Comment
The lottery results are in and the Portland Trail Blazers and Seattle SuperSonics are the big winners this year. That means it's time for our first full mock draft of 2007.
At this point very little is set in stone. Expect this mock draft to fluctuate greatly over the course of the next five weeks.
The process of team workouts has just started. Over the next few weeks, the Orlando NBA predraft camp, the Reebok Eurocamp and hundreds of team workouts will dramatically alter the face of the draft.
But for now, here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, at how the draft might play out in June.
CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS
Portland
Greg Oden Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 245
Age: 19
School: Ohio State
The skinny: Jackpot! The Blazers are a good fit for Oden. With Oden and Brandon Roy, the Blazers will be a playoff contender next year.
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Seattle
Kevin Durant Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 190
Age: 18
School: Texas
The skinny: Durant should give the Sonics the ability to let Rashard Lewis walk. But will Durant's presence save basketball in Seattle?
I wonder if the Sonics and Blazers want to talk swap. Oden would be a great fit in Seattle, while Durant would fill a bigger need in Portland.
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Atlanta
Mike Conley Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 170
Age: 19
School: Ohio State
The skinny: The team may be devastated that they didn't get Greg Oden, but they score his teammate for the last six years, Conley.
After passing on Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo in the last two drafts, it's time to take a point guard, right?
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Memphis
Corey Brewer Position: SG
Height: 6-8
Weight: 185
Age: 21
School: Florida
The skinny: While the lottery appears to have turned out disastrously for Memphis, Brewer does give them a long, athletic defender and scorer in the backcourt.
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Boston
Yi Jianlian Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 246
Age: 19
Country: China
The skinny: This is the worst-case scenario for the Celtics, but Yi has enough talent to be a star.
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Milwaukee
Al Horford Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 20
School: Florida
The skinny: The Bucks need to add some toughness and defense in the paint and Horford looks like a great fit. Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva are great scorers, but Brian Skinner is the only tough guy they have on the team willing to do the dirty work. Horford's also one of the most NBA-ready players in the draft.
Another option here would be North Carolina's Brandan Wright.
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Minnesota
Brandan Wright Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 210
Age: 19
School: North Carolina
The skinny: The Timberwolves' biggest need is in the frontcourt. They have to get more size and athleticism, and Wright would be a steal if he falls this far. Many GMs have him ranked as the third-best prospect in the draft. He doesn't play with the intensity of Kevin Garnett, but he has a lot of similar tools.
They also could opt for point guard Mike Conley here. But if they take him, they'll have to clean up a pretty huge logjam in their backcourt.
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Charlotte
Julian Wright Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 220
Age: 20
School: Kansas
The skinny: Wright's an athletic small forward who should be a better fit in Charlotte than Adam Morrison.
Joakim Noah's also a possibility here. Charlotte honchos Michael Jordan and Bernie Bickerstaff should be fans of Noah's energy and intensity. With Noah, Emeka Okafor, Sean May and Primoz Brezec, the Bobcats would have a number of different looks they can give you on their front line.
Also, Noah projects as one of the most marketable players in the draft, and the Bobcats are still searching for the face of the team.
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Chicago
(via New York)
Spencer Hawes Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 230
Age: 19
School: Washington
The skinny: The Bulls desperately need low-post scoring, and Hawes may be the most offensively-gifted low-post player in the draft. He can score in a variety of ways around the basket and has the toughness Scott Skiles demands from his players. The main drawback is Hawes' lack of athleticism and strength.
The Bulls really want Yi, so don't be surprised if they try to move up a few spots in the draft to get him.
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Sacramento
Roy Hibbert Position: C
Height: 7-2
Weight: 265
Age: 20
School: Georgetown
The skinny: There are still big question marks about whether Hibbert will actually stay in the draft. If he does, the Kings are very high on him, I'm told. With Brad Miller's career winding down, they want another skilled big man with great size and passing ability. Hibbert's lack of athleticism and rebounding have many scouts wary, but apparently the Kings don't feel the same way.
If Hibbert isn't there, Conley could be the pick here given Mike Bibby's recent dissatisfaction with the team.
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Atlanta
(via Indiana)
Joakim Noah Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 230
Age: 22
School: Florida
The skinny: The energetic big man will give the Hawks much-needed help on the defensive end.
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Philadelphia
Jeff Green Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 225
Age: 20
School: Georgetown
The skinny: The Sixers really need a power forward, but at this point, Green is clearly the best player left on the board. He's a much better prospect than the small forward the Sixers drafted last year, Rodney Carney. He also could play as a 4 in a small-ball lineup.
Green, like Andre Iguodala, has some serious point-forward skills and should provide more glue to a team that was starting to come together in the second half of the season.
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New Orleans
Al Thornton Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 210
Age: 23
School: Florida State
The skinny: With Desmond Mason hitting free agency, the Hornets will look for a swingman to play alongside Peja Stojakovic, if he can get healthy. Brewer is the ideal fit, but if he's gone I expect they'll decide between Thornton and Thaddeus Young.
Thornton is the more NBA ready of the two players, though it looks like Young has the higher ceiling.
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L.A. Clippers
Acie Law Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 185
Age: 22
School: Texas A&M
The skinny: With Shaun Livingston's future up in the air, the Clippers need to seriously think about adding another point guard. Sam Cassell can't run the show forever, and Law would be a good replacement.
Like Cassell, he's a scoring guard who is fearless at the end of games. He should be able to step in and contribute immediately.
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Detroit
(via Orlando)
Rodney Stuckey Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 205
Age: 21
School: Eastern Wash.
The skinny: Some may raise their eyebrows if Stuckey goes this high, and I don't have specific information that says Detroit would take him. He just seems like the type of player Detroit likes and would be an excellent fit.
Stuckey is a Randy Foye-type combo guard who can play some point but really excels by putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket. He would be a big upgrade over Flip Murray.
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Washington
Thaddeus Young Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 210
Age: 22
School: Georgia Tech
The skinny:Small forward isn't a huge need for Washington, but Young has too much talent and upside to pass on at this point. Wizards fans will just have to be a little patient with him.
The Wizards also like Brazil's Tiago Splitter, but they made a similar pick last year in Oleksiy Pecherov.
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New Jersey
Nick Young Position: PG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 200
Age: 21
School: USC
The skinny: This really shows how deep the draft is. In a normal year, Young's probably a top 10 pick, but this year he could slip this far. If he does, New Jersey has excellent insurance should Vince Carter bolt via free agency.
Like Carter, Young is a super-athletic 2 guard who can shoot the basketball and deliver the highlight-reel dunk.
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Golden State
Jason Smith Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Colorado State
The skinny: Smith is the perfect type of player for Nellie. He is tall and athletic, gets up and down the floor and can score from just about anywhere on the floor. He also plays with great energy.
Smith could be a real sleeper in the draft.
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L.A. Lakers
Javaris Crittenton Position: PG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 180
Age: 19
School: Georgia Tech
The skinny: Phil Jackson loves big point guards and Crittenton, at 6-foot-5, has a lot going for him. He is an excellent athlete, can shoot and has enough ball-handling skills to play full-time at the point guard position.
Long-term, he's an upgrade over Jordan Farmar, though he may take a year or two to develop.
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Miami
Tiago Splitter Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 240
Age: 22
Country: Brazil
The skinny: Splitter has enough talent to go a few spots higher, but he won't be able to get out of his contract until the 2008-09 season, which should make him slide a bit.
Splitter is a Euroleague veteran with great size and good mobility. He's a tough defender, but his offensive game still needs some work.
With Shaq's career starting to taper off, along with Alonzo Mourning's, the Heat need to start thinking about adding another big man.
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Philadelphia
(via Denver)
Josh McRoberts Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 20
School: Duke
The skinny: Sixers GM Billy King loves Duke players, and McRoberts has a lot more talent than his box scores at Duke suggest. He's tall, athletic and very skilled, but he played most of his career out of position at Duke.
He's not a go-to type player, but he should be a better, more athletic version of Luke Walton.
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Charlotte
(via Toronto)
Brandon Rush Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 205
Age: 21
School: Kansas
The skinny: The Bobcats fill their need at 2 guard with one of the more underrated players in the draft.
Rush has great size for the position, is a good athlete, plays solid defense and has an excellent perimeter stroke. He's been a little passive at times at Kansas, but he's a hard worker who should be a good fit.
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New York
(via Chicago)
Sean Williams Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 20
School: Boston College
The skinny: Williams was ranked as a late-lottery prospect by many NBA scouts before he was dismissed from Boston College at midseason. Everyone knows he has had off-court issues, but this late in the draft someone is going to pull the trigger on the best shot-blocker in the draft.
Knicks president Isiah Thomas seems like the perfect candidate.
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Phoenix
(via Cleveland)
Ante Tomic Position: C
Height: 7-2
Weight: 237
Age: 20
Country: Croatia
The skinny: I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns try to package this pick along with the No. 29 pick to move up a few spots in the draft or to facilitate a trade to get rid of Marcus Banks and/or Boris Diaw.
If they do keep it, I suspect they'll go international so they can keep the player in Europe and off the payroll. Tomic has great size and ability at the center position, but he needs to add strength and toughness.
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Utah
Derrick Byars Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 23
School: Vanderbilt
The skinny: Byars is a bit of a sleeper. He really didn't come on strong at Vanderbilt until his senior season.
The Jazz want to add a shooter who can play the 2 and 3 and play some defense. Italy's Marco Belinelli and Rice's Morris Almond are also possibilities here.
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Houston
Marco Belinelli Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 200
Age: 21
Country: Italy
The skinny: The Rockets could use some improvement in their outside shooting, and Belinelli has one of the best pure strokes in the draft. He also comes with great experience in the Euroleague and should be able to step in and help right away.
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Detroit
Daequan Cook Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 210
Age: 20
School: Ohio State
The skinny: The Pistons could really shore up their backcourt here with a young, athletic shooter who got limited opportunity at Ohio State this season.
Cook still needs to work on his handle and his defense, but he'd be an excellent fit coming off the bench in Detroit. A big man like DeVon Hardin is also a possibility here.
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San Antonio
Gabe Pruitt Position: PG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 170
Age: 21
School: USC
The skinny: Pruitt is a combo guard who has great size for the point, excellent athleticism and a beautiful stroke on his jumper.
His decision-making and leadership skills need to improve and he needs to add more strength, but he could be a late first-round steal for a team like San Antonio, which is looking for more depth in the backcourt.
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Phoenix
Rudy Fernandez Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 172
Age: 22
Country: Spain
The skinny: Suns will likely try to trade this pick, but if they keep it, they'll likely go international.
Fernandez had a breakout season in Spain this year. He's an excellent athlete with a good shooting stroke and the ability to play some point. His lack of strength and durability are the only things keeping his stock this low at the moment.
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Philadelphia
(via Dallas)
Glen Davis Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 290
Age: 21
School: LSU
The skinny: Davis has amazing skills for a big guy -- the problem is that he's just so big. If he can keep his weight down, he could end up being a steal this late. But that's a big if. Workouts will really matter for him.
Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
Draftexpress has updated their mock. They now have the Spurs taking Morris Almond in the first (makes alot more sense than Jared Dudley), and they have McGuire going in the the late first round (which is probably going to happen I think). Also they have Thaddeus Young around the same area of the board where the Spurs are. If that scenario played out in real life, Thaddeus Young might not be a bad player to go after, he's got superstar potential written all over him and premier perimeter talents are a rare commodity.
And I know that the Spurs have sent scouts to watch Almond play this past season.
Ford's mock draft is absurd in many points IMO.
yes, we all know that the Hawks need a PG (and we know that they are not the smartest franchise comes draft night), but even they won't use the no.3 pick in this deep draft for a player they likely will also get at no.11, when players with franchise potential are still on the board.
and did Ford never hear about the possibility of a trade? if Hawks pick Wright, they will have an asset that would land them Conley plus another nice player (or future pick) in several trade down scenarios.
Grizzlies picking Brewer at 4 looks even more absurd. (didn't they tell him that Grizzlies picked Rudy Gay last year?). they have other needs and with the no.4 pick they have quite more attractive options than Brewer. (Horford and Hibbert alongside Gasol make much more sense)
Julian Wright to Bobcats (when Haws, Hibbert and Noah are still on the board) and if this wasn't irrational enough, he predicts them to also add Rush with the other first round pick. a player like Rush at no.22 would make some sense for them, but they won't use both of their first rounders on perimeter players, when many bigs with potential are there and the future of Brezec (player option) and May (constantly injured) is so uncertain.
there are so many more crazy picks, so I just ask this one:
Ford predicts the Spurs will pick Pruitt when Rudy Fernandez is still on the board??? is there anyone on this board, who would back-up this oppinion???
(also considering that there is a good chance that Spurs would get Pruitt with the no.33 pick, but almost no chance that Rudy falls even further to no.33.)
taking aside that he still uses the 2 years old numbers for Rudy's weight (172lbs, from the predraft camp 2005) to label him to thin for NBA (he is in fact around 190 right now, still thin, but much improved in this area) and questions his durability, despite the fact that Fernandez constantly played a lot since he became pro (much more than any college player) and there isn't any indication that he would be injury prone or quickly exhausted. the opposite is true. Rudy is a very hard worker and has a fantastic motor.
Ford is just clueless.
probably the worst mock draft I have seen in the last weeks.
(and I have seen quite some)
Absolutely agree on all your points, mb.
anyway spurs can trade for celtics' pick? heard they are willing to trade it..1st round pick+ scola
or
1st round pick+scola+barry or udrih?
for
celtics pick+filler
So now that we know where every team will pick, is there a chance we can package the 28th pick and Scola rights for an upgrade? I think the Kings or 76ers could be good fits.
Scola's rights + 28 might get us into the late teens. But no way into the top 10 or the lottery.
Jeff Green and Hilbert will likey say that they pull out of the draft today.
Projected first rounder who can still pull out are :
Mike Conley Jr
Spencer Hawes
Jason Smith
Brandon Rush
Javaris Crittenton
Thaddeus Young
Marco Belinelli
Ante Tomic
Petteri Koponen
When you look at what player should be available with Spurs pick in a mock draft, you had to consider it. looking at who is available at #32-34 will give you a good indication on who will be available at #28 during the draft.
pick 4-10 i can see a few teams trading it
for example memphis might trade pau and pick for JO or KG
If Koponen stays in I'd assume he has 1st round guarantee from someone.
Hibbert out and even with Jeff Green out takes away another massive post presence from the draft. Already it had been fairly short in post scorers. I have no idea if the Spurs want to shop Scola (I'm assuming YES THEY DO), but really around the league there are few post scorers available. Would a team rather go for Melvin Ely or Luis Scola? I know my answer.
ely ftw
Couldn't even get playing time in Charlotte. No thx.
Going back to Morris Almond.
Obviously his scoring is attractive... his mid-range game, which isn't really a Spurs trait, although he looks like he can hit threes; his cutting ability; and ability to draw fouls and is an excellent free throw shooter; seems a pretty good rebounder.
It looks like his defense isn't the best. Not clear if this is a matter of effort or desire rather than capability. He's supposed to be long and strong, so maybe he was saving most energy to the offensive side. But that stuff doesn't look good as a Spurs prospect.
Chad Ford has the Spurs drafting Gabe Pruitt with the first pick.
Point guard from USC.
Pruitt is a combo guard who has great size for the point, excellent athleticism and a beautiful stroke on his jumper.
His decision-making and leadership skills need to improve and he needs to add more strength, but he could be a late first-round steal for a team like San Antonio, which is looking for more depth in the backcourt.
He's come up upthread. I'd take him and be fine, then grab a SF prospect with 33.
Bilas had Byars as his number 20 best available. Im starting to think my boy wont be there when we pick Body, damn
If all else, I honestly hope the Spurs end up with McGuire in the draft. Is it overboard to think this guy can be become a Scottie Pippen like defender?
No, it's not overboard to think McGuire could develop into something good. It depends on his at ude and what team gets him. He has pretty good tools.
It'll be a funky draft. If Hibbert and Green pull out, more the worse for bottom-of-the-draft teams.
I doubt the Spurs will get their answer at SF unless they miraculously trade up, but they should be able to get a couple parts they're currently missing (PG, etc.).
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