Game Thread: Spurs vs Raptors — Thurs. (01/03) - 7:00/C (3:00am Riga Time)

[sammy]

Holy , man. Do I need to repeat for you all the differences between how LA went about his business and how Kawhi did?

You aren't worth the time homey because you're like a Republican. Dense as and unwilling to let new information guide you.

So true!

[jmard5]

wanting me to stop tellling the truth doesnt make it go away...LMA cannot deal with another player being the guy...he doesnt give a about team success...after one of our best regular seasons ever, he pouted the entire season and demanded a trade because he wasnt shooting enough

No, I mean stop with all your speculation and hate. While we are optimistic on the current status of the team, all you do is find something you hate and then dwell on it.

[Kawhi_6rings]

he wasnt blaming the media for the booing...he was asked if he was disappointed by the loss given his history with the spurs...they asked nothing about booing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6EKEFDW6RQ

KACHOKE IS AN PROVEN CANCER...............

[RC_Drunkford]

duncan2k5 out here on suicide watch

[Chinook]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie...f=32&t=1786796

have never been more put off since the Jazz crowd booed Derek Fisher when he left for Los Angeles for the interest of his daughter receiving the best medical treatment possible.

The San Antonio crowd showed what it means to be spoiled with a rich history if they can boo a guy that arguably led them to two finals on his back.

We need to show our guy Kawhi the love when he returns.

Kawhi already gets way too much credit for 2014, but there's no way to argue Leonard carried the team in 2013.

[Mugen]

Pure tinfoil/conspiracy hat on, but it had to be some racist or downright offensive that came down from the ownership group to Kawhi/family.

That's the only reason that would make sense for all this because anybody else in the organization outside of Pop/RC is extremely replaceable when compared to your franchise cornerstone.

[RC_Drunkford]

There were rumors that Kawhi wanted to go spend time with Pop after his wife died but decided against it. Who knows why that didn't happen, though I do think there is room for nobility there. It really does make you wonder why the two sides couldn't talk it out, because if Kawhi and Pop have this relationship, it's hard to imagine anyone else with the organization having enough influence to poison the well that much. I almost wish there was a video that stayed on the court to see whom Leonard went to and whom he ignored.

Though maybe it really was just down to the DPE.

I assume the only person who could poison that relationship is uncle Dennis

[Chinook]

I assume the only person who could poison that relationship is uncle Dennis

I'm referring to the oft-hinted-at notion from timvp and Kori that Kawhi had a semi-legit beef with someone in the organization due to comment that person made. That beef was apparently so big that Kawhi told his teammates in the player's only meeting that he wouldn't give his all for the organization anymore. Had it been Pop he had issues with, it would have been easy to understand what happened. But if Leonard and Pop are close, then it really raises the question of who could more solidly define the Spurs organization than Pop and cancel out the good will between coach and player?

[Dverde]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie...f=32&t=1786796



Kawhi already gets way too much credit for 2014, but there's no way to argue Leonard carried the team in 2013.

I agree with you. He did miss the crucial three throw that would have sealed the game too.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I'm referring to the oft-hinted-at notion from timvp and Kori that Kawhi had a semi-legit beef with someone in the organization due to comment that person made. That beef was apparently so big that Kawhi told his teammates in the player's only meeting that he wouldn't give his all for the organization anymore. Had it been Pop he had issues with, it would have been easy to understand what happened. But if Leonard and Pop are close, then it really raises the question of who could more solidly define the Spurs organization than Pop and cancel out the good will between coach and player?

RC is the only other one with power that wouldn't be fired for calling him autistic or something of that nature

[Chinook]

RC is the only other one with power that wouldn't be fired for calling him autistic or something of that nature

Him, Holt or Duncan. That's why I kicked around the idea of Tim being the guy. Any other former Spur could have been scapegoated, even Robinson. But Tim is just too important to the organization to throw away, even for Leonard. Again, that's just -shooting. Just saying that it's a pretty big mystery.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Him, Holt or Duncan. That's why I kicked around the idea of Tim being the guy. Any other former Spur could have been scapegoated, even Robinson. But Tim is just too important to the organization to throw away, even for Leonard. Again, that's just -shooting. Just saying that it's a pretty big mystery.

Tim has always been sarcastic but no way could I ever imagine him saying anything about kawhi. Now Holt, theirs a drunk who could have a loose tongue

[BillMc]

Tim has always been sarcastic but no way could I ever imagine him saying anything about kawhi. Now Holt, theirs a drunk who could have a loose tongue

Doesn't Holt have alzheimers or something similar? Is he even around the team? I thought his wife (or now ex-wife) took over.

All vague things I remember. Could be off...

I thought one of the issues (besides KL's desire to return home and according to Stephen A just general boredom with Texas life) was that the Spurs wanted him to prove his health and commitment to the team before offer the supermax, and Kawhi and his people thought this was a game to lowball him.

But what do I know. I'm 3000 miles away.

[Mugen]

No way it's Timmy. It's definitely somebody in the ownership/front office group, somebody that would have had some type of contact with Dennis or something.

[Indianman]

Which country do you represent, mate?

[bklynspursfan]

I'm referring to the oft-hinted-at notion from timvp and Kori that Kawhi had a semi-legit beef with someone in the organization due to comment that person made. That beef was apparently so big that Kawhi told his teammates in the player's only meeting that he wouldn't give his all for the organization anymore. Had it been Pop he had issues with, it would have been easy to understand what happened. But if Leonard and Pop are close, then it really raises the question of who could more solidly define the Spurs organization than Pop and cancel out the good will between coach and player?

The only thing I wonder with this is, why not sit on the bench with the team if he would give his all for them. It seemed like he went ghost on everyone.

[Dex]

white currently is the b etter player between him and murray, i dont know the hype with murray, that all defensive team selection last season was justa consolation prize by the league after losing green/kawhi, let alone anderson...dude is overrated as who never locked down anyone on defense...

white is the real deal, has no on/off the court bs, spurs should be giving him more minutes and bigger role on the spurs....

Murray was named All-NBA Defense in May (youngest player in NBA history, btw). Leonard didn't ask for his trade until June.

Try again.

[duncan2k5]

I get it - but it seems that people here want change for no good reason.

There is no mvp talent out there that will be gifted for some bench players and the stars the spurs do have - have to have a chance to prove themselves.

Early this season everyone was tanking and trading away the entire team. Do you think any of the scrubs that everyone here has mentioned coming here would have been better than what the spurs are doing now?

you arent getting my point...i think having LMA is almost as bad as having Melo...we WONT ever win with him...i just want him gone...i think we will be better because of it...im not expecting another all star...ideally i want a role player that would fit into the new era NBA and doesnt have at ude problems when he isnt the focal point of the offense...for example covington would have been an ideal choice (im giving an example...clearly twolves wouldnt trade for LMA when they already have a better PF)

[duncan2k5]

I'm referring to the oft-hinted-at notion from timvp and Kori that Kawhi had a semi-legit beef with someone in the organization due to comment that person made. That beef was apparently so big that Kawhi told his teammates in the player's only meeting that he wouldn't give his all for the organization anymore. Had it been Pop he had issues with, it would have been easy to understand what happened. But if Leonard and Pop are close, then it really raises the question of who could more solidly define the Spurs organization than Pop and cancel out the good will between coach and player?

ive been saying forever kawhi had issues with LMA...i guess it has to slap ppl in the face for them to see it

[LakerHater]

[LakerHater]

[duncan2k5]

You are way off.

LMA was an established All star for multiple seasons and he was not being used anywhere near - where he could utilize his talent. He did the best he could with a system that negated his talent until he decided he needed to play elsewhere. Pop and LMA sat down and both realized that they could work on this challenge and to both GROWN MEN'S CREDIT - they seem to have found a way forward.
In this small ball 3 point NBA with touch fouls on every play - Pop is figuring out how to use LMA as an asset that many teams have given up on - and the verdict is not in yet - Pop may actually know what he is doing.

There is no player available that is leagues better than LMA and if there is - that team will not give him away to get LMA - why can't you get this?

Kawhi on the other hand, quit on the team and faked an injury because he did not have the BALLS to talk to pop on his own without his uncle. that piece of .

He makes LMA look like a total pro in contrast - yet here you are seeing the exact opposite. SMH

u are making up a scenario for LMA that simply isnt true...the guy struggled every year in the playoffs since coming...in the first year without duncan, and kawhi's real first year as as the go to guy, he had his worst season...we all watched the games...the guy was being used the same as he is now...he just was taking less shots per game than in portland...it's not as if he went to pop and said "im not being used properly...you are making me a three point shooter when im a post up guy...he said he wants more touches...

look at the article, since a lot of us ahve short memories...https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ade-From-Spurs

there was no consolation...no explanation...LMA wanted out, and spurs were shopping him...there was NEVER any sit down until AFTER they COULDNT trade him...

[Ozballer]

ive been saying forever kawhi had issues with LMA...i guess it has to slap ppl in the face for them to see it

Who cares? Kawhi moved on, LMA moved on. Pop moved on. The Spurs moved on, Toronto moved on. You are still stuck on that already happened and that you were not part of other than hearing media and blog gossip and speculation and that an outcome already took place.
So get some modern zen, mindfulness books and get on with the program, it will do your mental health wonders and will benefit the blog standards greatly

[duncan2k5]

Who cares? Kawhi moved on, LMA moved on. Pop moved on. The Spurs moved on, Toronto moved on. You are still stuck on that already happened and that you were not part of other than hearing media and blog gossip and speculation and that an outcome already took place.
So get some modern zen, mindfulness books and get on with the program, it will do your mental health wonders and will benefit the blog standards greatly

do u realize im RESPONDING to what someone said? say that to THEM...u seem to have a personal issue with me...

[Ozballer]

do u realize im RESPONDING to what someone said? say that to THEM...u seem to have a personal issue with me...

I don't even know you. How could I possibly have a personal issue with you? not at all mate. However, it does seem by reading your posts that you are at odds with the entire planet by relentlessly endorsing what is now irrelevant and without knowing facts. Of course, it is how you come across and maybe completely wrong. Cheers