All I'm saying - and its a pretty moot arguement when there is so much water over NO right now - is that this could have been FAR worse had it not fallen apart on NO's side. The fact that it did all of this while in a weakend state is a testament to that.
So now it's just coming a lot slower and more painfully than they anticipated.
How, exactly, does that make it not worse? Whether it's leveled all at once or completely underwater within the next few hours, there's no real difference in destruction...with no way to get that water out other than evaporation, how long will those cities be under water? No way will that be inhabitable for a long, long time.
And I thought it was still a CAT 4 when the Superdome roof was being battered? I was talking to Chris about the amount of wind it was tested for (200mph), and he explained that the safety ratio is 3:1 on structures like that...which means if it's safe for 200mph, it's actually should withstand up to 600mph winds...and only the top covering was damaged, the roof itself did not fail. Who knows if it actually would have, though, but that's not something you can be so positive of, because theoretically it could have taken quite a bit more.
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Those people are alive and have a chance to get out. If the water had come in with a 28 foot storm surge, those houses would have been wiped out.
Do you remember the images of the Tsunami and how little warning those people had? Imagine that with winds of 165-75 over your head. It would have been worse.
Remember the places those people were at yesterday? All of the pictures we got and how there was no water in the French Quater untill last night? That would have all been inundated during the storm much more quickly.
The storm was a cat 4 when it came ashore, but I explained in earlier posts why NO didn't get cat 4 winds. In fact, I think the highest confirmed wind I saw out of NO isn't even cat 3, but cat 2.
As for the Superdome, I'm just going off of the holes in the roof I see. I'd imagine once the integrity of the roof is damaged, then the wind would be able to tear the remaining roof off in a much easier manner.
This still is the scenario that was feared. It will take a long time to get the water out of there.
It is true that if a full-fledged Category 5 had beaten on New Orleans, that it could have been worse, but yes, it is a moot point, because whether you're run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train, you're still dead.
did you see her sound bit last night where in one breath she went from "there will certainly be more reports of tyhose who did not survive this storm" to... "but for those thats did I'm sure there main concern will soon be home insurance adn for help on filing claims we now go to So&So insurance expert"..
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take a breath lady.. that was one cold hearted transistion.
Damn, seeing this is breaking my heart. It just seems to be getting worse and worse as time passes.
Per some expert on CNN...
The Superdome was built to withstand a Category 4 hurricane 30 plus years ago when it was built but with 30 plus years of wind, salt, rain and other elements that may have added to the condition of the roof.
The north shore of Lake Ponchatrain was hit with a 20' tidal wave surge.
If they built it to withstand a catagory 4 'cane, there is no way in it was going to withstand 200mph winds.
The shore opposite of NO?
I can't watch PZ. Her eye-closing/head-dropping tic is as annoying and distracting as that eye-closing antics of little fat , whathizname, Lou Dobbs and his go-nowhere "campaigns".
What a bunch of fakers, "it's all about me, my style, and my signature tics". Just STFU, look straight in the camera, keep your eyes open, head steady, no chat, no editorializing, no ersatz emoting, and read the ing tele-prompeter. That wasn't hard, was it?
guess what happened yesterday while the world was watching Katrina??
some nut job up in north texas shot to death a parishiner and the pastor of the church across the street from his house... then he drove around the blck a bit, stopped at an intersection and shot to death to woemn who were hauling a horse trailer. Witness's heard /saw the woem n screaming and scrambling ot get out of thier truck. Then the nutjob goes back home, has a little stand off with SWAT and shoots himslef in the head.
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Aug. 29th was one black day.
Yes - north shore encompasses Covington, Mandeville and Slidell.
Look at those pictures and look at the people being rescued.
If this storm come in as advertised, those rescues woudln't have happend.
It was definetly less than that on the southern shore then.
AHF, have you seen an aerial or satellite photography of the area yet? I'd imagine that is going to happen in the near term to get a better handle on the damage situation.
If the eye went over Lake Ponchatrain, the lake and the river would be one large body of water now.
Apparently there are *experts* with really conflicting views on what the roof was meant to withstand. Whatever the channel I was watching had some guy saying 200mph (CAT 5+)....so I guess engineers who designed and built the 'Dome weren't required to follow the standard safety ratio for public buildings of that size.
The age and wear of the elements on the building is definitely something to consider, though. But given the number of boxes and conference rooms that are typical in buildings like that, there were plenty of safe places (relatively speaking) for those people to go if it had given out.
I think the only real difference in it getting leveled all at once or what's happening now are the people they've been able to rescue from attics, etc...but 50 or 5000 lost, is that really less devastating?
Not that the ones rescued don't matter, obviously.
Not sure if this is true but I heard that Bay St. Louis was hit with a 32 foot storm surge.
Also, water is continuing to rise in NO. The Quarter is under knee deep water, so I've heard.
Strangely enough, the best graphical analysis of Katrina's assault is from the SA Express-News.
I really doubt anywhere got a storm surge of 32ft. The highest number I've heard is 10 feet less than that.
Katrina's surge was lower by a few feet than Camilles, but the thing that is ed up is this:
It covered 3 times as much land.
Pretty much. If that storm comes with an intact eye, then that is what you are looking at.
Yeah, the numbers I heard were 200mph. Who the knows though. I'm glad the building survived. I would have ahted to be the person hearding people into those small rooms with a roof collapsing over their heads.Apparently there are *experts* with really conflicting views on what the roof was meant to withstand. Whatever the channel I was watching had some guy saying 200mph (CAT 5+)....so I guess engineers who designed and built the 'Dome weren't required to follow the standard safety ratio for public buildings of that size.
The age and wear of the elements on the building is definitely something to consider, though. But given the number of boxes and conference rooms that are typical in buildings like that, there were plenty of safe places (relatively speaking) for those people to go if it had given out.
I think the only real difference in it getting leveled all at once or what's happening now are the people they've been able to rescue from attics, etc...but 50 or 5000 lost, is that really less devastating?
Not that the ones rescued don't matter, obviously.
Yeah, Pontchartrain would be the new mouth of the Mississippi River if that had happened, and New Orleans would have ceased to exist.
In that sense, they "dodged a bullet" in that someday the city again will be habitable. But this is still one of the worst, if the not the worst hurricane to hit the U.S. coast.
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