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People have short memories.
I'm pretty sure it will go down as the worst, ES.
At this point, I wonder if people rebuild those neighborhoods knowing just how vulnerable they are.
People have short memories.
And if you need confirmation of this, just drive north on 35 about 30 miles and glance down over the Guadalupe bridge and see all of the mentally challenged individuals who have rebuilt TWICE in the last 6 years from being wiped out in floods.
MY friend Maria, from my April '04 mommies group, grew up in NO. this is a picture of her parent's neighborhood Chalmette...
Her parents and her younger brother who is still in school were able ot get to Houston early yesterday so they are safe.. btu all they own now is in thier van, and that ain't much.
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dollarwise yes.I'm pretty sure it will go down as the worst
Loss of life-wise...hopefully nothing will ever come close to Galveston.
MY friend Maria, from my April '04 mommies group, grew up in NO. this is a picture of her parent's neighborhood Chalmette...
Her parents and her younger brother who is still in school were able ot get to Houston early yesterday so they are safe.. btu all they own now is in thier van, and that ain't much.
can't see without registering at iVillage...but at least they are okay.
What good does it do if they got wiped out then or now that the levee's flooded they get wiped out?Those people are alive and have a chance to get out. If the water had come in with a 28 foot storm surge, those houses would have been wiped out.
I've seen clocked reports of 130 mph, I think that falls in the cat 3 or 4 range...The storm was a cat 4 when it came ashore, but I explained in earlier posts why NO didn't get cat 4 winds. In fact, I think the highest confirmed wind I saw out of NO isn't even cat 3, but cat 2.
can't see without registering at iVillage...but at least they are okay.
I fixed it..
she said her house is one of the ones on the left......
I was thinking the the same thing when I read that post.And if you need confirmation of this, just drive north on 35 about 30 miles and glance down over the Guadalupe bridge and see all of the mentally challenged individuals who have rebuilt TWICE in the last 6 years from being wiped out in floods.
speaking of dollarwise....per CNN.com:
Hurricane Andrew cut a path through the northwestern Bahamas, the southern Florida peninsula and south-central Louisiana. Andrew came ashore in on August 24, 1992, near Homestead, Florida, resulting in 26 deaths. More than 700,000 insurance claims were filed relating to Andrew. Initially rated a Category 4 storm, it was later upgraded to Category 5 status.
Total cost...26.5 Billion
The Superdome was built to resist 200mph, but has only recently been tested to withstand 130mph.
Well, there's a courthouse in MS at elevation 30 that got 1-2 feet of water from the storm surge.
AHF, they have a chance. That alone is worth a lot. Those people that have been rescued right now, would have been dead along with a lot of other people who are currently safe. The 20% of NO that is left dry, wouldn't be.
130mph is cat 3, but it is borderline to cat 4 winds. I haven't seen anything that high as far as sustained winds go (for NO), but it would not be unreasonable in the least.
I'm probably reading into this too much, but here goes. I say no, for now. Especially the poorer, run-down sections of the city. They won't be able to afford to rebuild anything when they are paid out on the estimated value of their destroyed homes and whatever the federal subsidy will be. They'll flee to Mississippi or Alabama, where the cost of living is lower.
Some enterprising developers will buy up all this land and build a bunch of "affordable" cookie cutter suburban homes for middle-class Orleanians. These will eventually age and go to , then when Hurricane Dorothy comes in 2045, the same damn thing will happen again.
We never learn when it comes to like this.
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CNN's John Zarrella, in a hotel on Canal Street, said the water level was "much higher" than it had been during the height of Katrina's onslaught, rising all morning Tuesday and topping the sandbags meant to keep the water out of the building.
"Water has now filled the basement of the hotel," he said. "All of the entrances to our hotel are completely surrounded, and the water is slowly creeping up the side of the building.
"Yesterday during the hurricane, the water was no where near this high."
Federal flood insurance has a three-strikes-and-you're-out policy. After the third flood, they'll pay to build you a home on higher ground, but you can't rebuild in the flood zone.And if you need confirmation of this, just drive north on 35 about 30 miles and glance down over the Guadalupe bridge and see all of the mentally challenged individuals who have rebuilt TWICE in the last 6 years from being wiped out in floods.
I belive that when I see it. Even at its strongest this storm would have had a lot of trouble getting storm surge that high.
I'm not saying its impossible, I just find it unlikely given the strength.
Waves in Bay St Louis were probably over 32 feet.
I haven't seen pictures of the hole in the levee (how the do you spell the word?), but basicallly you will see water pour through the hole untill both sides are equal or the water level drops below the break.
There's no way to stop the lake from pouring in at this point.
The math is still not encouraging.
NO population: 480,000
20% that did not evacuate: 96,000
Ones that did not go to the Superdome or other shelters: ~85,000
People that made it onto their roofs waiting to be rescued: ~1,000
What of the other 80,000+ ?
That picture Obiwan posted is ed.
FYI Manny - Slidell (north of NO) had recorded wind gusts of 175MPH.
Yeah, its still a monumental disaster. Hopefully we won't see the deaths go into the thousands.
Well, besides the storm surge itself, a big ol' wave came through and knocked out the back wall of the courthouse.
That's what the news out of Gulfport says, anyway. Given that the courthouse housed the Emergency Operations Center for the county, and that it's where most of the officials were, that sounds pretty reliable.
I think that's inevitable. The only question is whether it will eclipse Galveston 1900.
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