Exactly.
Especially since Scola is a Spur next year, Scola and Manu on the same team..come on.
some of you guys are too touchy and are looking to swipe your claws at every opportunity. the thread is fodder for thought. stats support the thesis. limited stats of course, but still. at the very least it make me wonder if dev and barry should get more minutes.....but as someone already stated, at the end of the day, Pop's should/will sub based on D matchups and who has the hot hand.
Actually, it's less than 0.8 %So are you saying that the chances of Manu missing two of the Spurs' four biggest wins due to some random occurance are less than 8%?
Interesting.
And no, that's not what I'm saying. I calculated the probability of guessing 2 numbers in the range 1-40 in 4 tries (with some assumptions). Not at all the same thing.
I'm more in favor of keeping Manu, but I'm on board with at least considering bringing him off the bench. If Tony is playing well and Tim is getting lots of touches, Manu sometimes struggles to be involved in the offense. If he came off the bench, he could be the offensive focal point. I think it's worth considering. It would give the first unit a pure perimeter shooter (Barry) to go along with a post player and a slasher, and it would give the second unit some serious energy and offensive punch.
I'd consider trading Manu if the Spurs could get a real quality big guy in return. Manu and Rasho for Boozer? I'd probably do that. But I wouldn't trade him for P.J. Brown or Nazr Mohammed. And I think that Kenyon Martin is overrated.
It's good to have all these options.
travis...
you need to get one of these for the next time you feel compelled to whip out the statistical calculations, so you know...you don't ever have to leave your chair 'n stuff.....
Nazr Mohammed.
well have to agree to disagree on this guy.
Nice jumper, shotblocker, rebounder..
Hed become an All Star next to Duncan.
Rose/Rasho Manu for Mohammed?
Nazr? Interesting, maybe.
But no way you include Manu in a package for him.
Numbers are nice but misleading...from these stats...how many games are:
against top 5 teams in the league
on the road against top 10 teams in the league
Manu has only be out two games this season so I think the sample size is pretty small...all my experience in test engineering tells me that the data is incomplete and the sample size needs to be from MORE games
but I guess people who are only into stats and don't consider intangables love numbers like above
Yeah, we will. I don't think he's a bad player, but to think he'd become an all-star when even David Robinson wasn't one in his last few years is crazy.
He hustles and has some athleticism, but he's certainly not worth what Manu is worth. If the Spurs really want him, they can probably get him without trading Manu.
In addition, the Knicks have enough swing players already.
Hes the only player of worth the Knicks would want.get him without trading Manu.
I think Zeke would take Rasho for Kurt Thomas so he could play Nazr at the 4, but Nazr himself is pretty untouchable -- he's the only worthwhile thing to come out of the Van Horn trade.
I would not trade Nesterovic for Kurt Thomas.
Why would you need three undersized Center/PFs on this team.
I wasn't really advocating it -- just saying what Zeke would go for. But if you want consistency and offense up front, he's your man. My thoughts about shotblockers are well known and our defense would probably suffer without Rasho. It's a tradeoff.
Im not saying you were, but I agree, offense up front, maybe a shade bit better rebounding, he is your man.
But defensively and blocking shots, and someone who can fill the lane and drive out cutters to the lane, he is not your guy..
And with the Spurs, if the defense suffers, they lose, that simple.
I must come out of retirement to recognize this.
-MB
FSP Poster Emeritus
I don't really see the difference in putting him on the bench. He comes out of the game with 6 min to go usually anyways in the 1st Q. Even if he is feeling it sometimes he is taken out. A lot of times he comes in when Beno relieves TP a bit. I don't see what the big deal about him running the second unit is. Sometimes he does it anyway, its not like he exclusively plays with Parker.
If Barry is infinetely better as a starter, I would honestly replace Bowen then. If the Spurs need the offense that much from Barry, then just take Bowen out (the defense surely can't be POOR EVER with Duncan and Rasho in). And Barry could make the offense damn near perfect.
I just don't see the need to bench Manu at this point. Maybe if he was playing really poorly, and Barry played 6-7 games as a starter and was on FIRE.
No need to bench him. Pop regularly subs Manu in and out, and again gives him minutes when Parker is not on the floor. He usually does a solid job of being the psuedo floor general/playmaker in that case.
Right now Parker has the ball only a few more possesions per game that Manu (as far as making something happen, a shot, assist, TO etc...). I'm sure Manu sees the ball a little more if hes feeling it, or if TP is out. I think it levels out. They both get it a good amount of times with or without each other.
I wish I could see the pic...travis...
you need to get one of these for the next time you feel compelled to whip out the statistical calculations, so you know...you don't ever have to leave your chair 'n stuff.....
Besides...don't hate me because I'm beautiful...
Glad you checked in, Marcus. This topic has A.D.D.
Bump.
I knew I remembered T Park loving Nazr. He was willing to trade Rose AND Manu for him.
It's an early Christmas for T Park.
TPARK must have been hitting that blueberry yum yum thinking that mess... Rose/Rasho and MANU for Nazr Mohammed??!! Laughable...
Hmm, this presents a conflict for the TParkster:
Rasho or Nazr?
Why not both? Get rid of that Duncan clown.
Why has the thread been brought back, honostly.
Last night Manu had a few steals, a block, and only missed 1 shot from what I was watching, and it was a 3.
I agree though, the Spurs would be 10 times better without Manu.
Read.
^^^Loves suck ass players. As I have always said.
At the time -- under Wilkens and averaging a double-double and the only good thing that came out of the Van Horn trade -- he was untouchable, and show me where i say I love him. You've officially written off the season, so why are you still here?
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