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You must be bored, or looking to steal the "I Start Sheeyit" le.
*sits back, mentally pops open cold one*
The numbers make an interesting argument.
Without Manu:
PPG: 107.5
FG%: .531
3P%: .613
Reb: +22
APG: 25
TPG: 9
Opponent's PPG: 76.5
Opponent's FG%: .354
Barry PPG: 16.0
Barry FG%: 66.7%
Brown PPG: 18.5
Brown FG%: 58.3%
Is there anything to these numbers or is it one big coincidence?
You must be bored, or looking to steal the "I Start Sheeyit" le.
*sits back, mentally pops open cold one*
The "without Manu" sample is only two games. Compared to like the other 40, it could be said to be statisticly insignificant.
I'm just sayin'.
Do we need to contact the proper authorities to change the old addage that numbers never lie?
Well I don't think they are better as a team but i indeed think that Barry does play better as a starter. Maybe they should start him and bring Manu off the bench. But I don't think it is goinig to happen. If Manu is healthy he is going to start...
ridiculous. props to barry and devin for stepping it up when called upon though.
what opponents other than washington are included in those numbers?
More stats to chew on: Two of the Spurs' four biggest wins have come in the two games that Manu was out injured. Someone should calculate the probability of that.
Not saying that I agree with what these numbers indicate ... just pointing them out.
In all honesty, Tony Parker and manu still seem to be working out how to play well together. More often then not, Tony and Manu don't have big games on the same night. With that said, this is becoming less true.
But I will say that when Tony plays well, that the Spurs play well, and he plays better when he dominates the ball.
If my calculations are correct, the probability of that happening is less than 3%.Someone should calculate the probability of that.
Take it for what it's worth.
barry played against the wizzards
The two games Manu missed were @Portland and vs. Wiz. Two teams which play bad D. Portland was in the midst of a particularly bad stretch, and the Wiz were in their first game without Hughes.
Not a very representative statistical sampling. Now if Manu hadn't played against Houston or the Pistons, and those numbers showed more points, that might be a reason for discussion.
(Way too logical a discussion going on here. You get too much respect, bro. What if Sequ had started this thread?)
i think they wont be better without him, but they would be unstoppable with barry in the starting line-up ans manu coming off the bench. it wont make that much of a difference for manu because he only plays like 30 a game. however brent seems to play well starting.
Didn't the Spurs when a bunch of games when Duncan was out last year? Might as well throw that into the mix...
How many games have Manu missed? Two (2)? Your sampling is really low.
A better indicator might be the +/- points of the team per 48 minutes with a player on/off the court.
Here is that info:
Player On Court+/- Off Court+/- Team Net+/-
Duncan +15.1 -0.5 +15.6
Ginobili +17.1 +1.9 +15.2
Horry +14.8 +9.3 +5.5
Nesterovic +13.2 +8.3 +4.9
Parker +12.1 +8.2 +3.8
Bowen +11.7 +9.3 +2.4
Udrih +9.0 +11.7 -2.7
Barry +7.9 +12.8 -4.9
Wilks -2.4 +11.5 -13.9
Rose +1.3 +15.6 -14.3
Brown +0.9 +16.2 -15.3
Massenburg -4.8 +12.5 -17.4
The team seems to be clicking the most offensively when Manu is on the court (+17.1 pts, the largest of any player), and when he is off the court the team seems to get stagnat in offense (+1.9 pts, second behind Duncan).
It is clear from the above numbers that the combo of Duncan/Manu are Spurs' catalyst. Not surprisingly, they are the most productive pair of players in the entire NBA.
Current player pair leaders in 2004-05 (as of 1/17/05)
# Team Player1 Player2 +/- Off/g Def/g Net
1 SA Ginobili Duncan +390 102.6 80.5 +22.1
2 PHO Nash Marion +351 115.6 100.6 +15.0
3 DAL Terry Nowitzki +267 109.3 91.2 +18.1
4 SEA Allen Radmanovic +227 109.6 96.6 +13.0
5 MIA D.Jones Wade +192 108.5 97.8 +10.7
one could also look at how well or badly the team played after manu went down vs houston.....
i did not see this game, however, so you tell me.
It just means the Spurs can afford to hold Manu out against bottom-feeder wannabees.
Besides, I just got hooked up with my "20" Spurs Home Jersey after he signed his mega deal. Don't be messin' with Manu.
spurs would be better of with out manning if they had boozer
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holy ducks.....wtf are you talking about?
Classic. Please move to the Danny Manning Forum.
I thought he was talking about Peyton, not Danny.
C'mon, if all of us actually typed that every time we thought it . . .holy ducks.....wtf are you talking about?
So you are saying it is a < 3% statistical fluke that two of the four biggest Spurs' blowouts came with Manu on the sidelines?
I'm not arguing either way on this matter. Just trying to understand this anomaly.
"spurs would be fine with letting manu go if they had the chance to bolster their interior presence with a player such as carlos boozer"
i still disagree.
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