Kobe Wants 'Old-School' Defensive Rules To Return

[Killakobe81]

This was one of your best posts in a while the Pistons at times were playing a zone ...the refs just didnt always call it.
I agree MJ was doubled a lot BECAUSE he was SO FAR ahead of his time.
I am NOT LBJ=MJ BUT

Teleport Lebron back then with his athletic gifts?

Lebron even though his fundamentals ... are NOT as strong as MJ's LEBRON would of BEASTED back then ...

As great as a defender as Dumars and Rodman were ... Lebron would of tore those guys apart with his passing and his size/speed ...

[Killakobe81]

and who doubts MJ would dominate in today's era? He dominated in the LAST era ...
Kobe lebron and Mj ALL owould of domnatedin any era ...but for all the disadvantages you say MJ had the BIGGEST ADVANTAGE was that he was a greater ATHLETE than any of his peers
LBJ is the best athlete of his era but the dropoff of LBj to say Wade as an athlete is very small in fact the dropoff from LBJ to Rudy Gay is not huge ...
That is a HUGE advantage MJ had only Nique and maybe clyde was in his class as a PURE athlete ...

[MiamiHeat]

but Kobe doesn't dominate today's era

He had 1 good year, 2006, where he went on a scoring tear for a while, but even then he only shot 45% FG and did put up 35 ppg

In his 14 year career, kobe has only scored 30 ppg three times.... 3 times in 14 years

he has only led the league in scoring twice in 14 years

he has only 1 league mvp

how is he dominating anything? He's merely another superstar

[MiamiHeat]

right now I'd have to say LeBron is.

[Killakobe81]

but Kobe doesn't dominate today's era

He had 1 good year, 2006, where he went on a scoring tear for a while, but even then he only shot 45% FG and did put up 35 ppg

In his 14 year career, kobe has only scored 30 ppg three times.... 3 times in 14 years

he has only led the league in scoring twice in 14 years

he has only 1 league mvp

how is he dominating anything? He's merely another superstar

After 1 good post this. ^

he has rings scoring les and is conisedered by most SANE people either the 1st or 2nd best player in the NBA maybe not like MJ but who is?

Are Bird and Magic less dominate cuz they dont have MJ's numbers?

Statheads are not true fans they get too wrapped in numbers. Bird and Magic transcended numbers ...

[Chieflion]

First of all, I would like you guys to watch this video, showing you the real defense of the 90s.



You guys decide for yourselves whether it is easier to score against the 90s Knicks or the defense these days.

[Killakobe81]

James has led the league in scoring once.
James has 0 les, in fact he's never won a game in the finals.
He only has 3 all NBA first team awards, yet was crowned King of the NBA as a rookie.
He's never averaged more than 30, including this year.
Of all the top players in the league, I'm talking top 5, he's been the biggest failure, hands down.

good points Luva ... but failure? Really?
BUT if he doesnt win this year with HCA ....then i may agree ...

[Allanon]

How are ANY of those supposed "tough" 90's defense videos tougher than this defense?

It's all there + constant Zone defense on every play.

[Chieflion]

How are ANY of those supposed "tough" 90's defense videos tougher than this defense?

It's all there + constant Zone defense on every play.

This only shows that the refs are stupid for not enforcing rules. You mad or what?

[Allanon]

This only shows that the refs are stupid for not enforcing rules. You mad or what?

You obviously mad at that hardcore defense

[Killakobe81]

How are ANY of those supposed "tough" 90's defense videos tougher than this defense?

It's all there + constant Zone defense.

Plus the Celts had much BETTER athletes playing that defense KG & posey are as good or better than any 90's defenders outside of Pippen and if you say to me Rodman (who i think was overated defensively after he left detroit) he and pip was on his team ... knicks played great team defense but individually maybe only Greg Anthony ...

Pistons had young rodman and Dumars ...outside of Detroit ...not impressed with 90's defensive squads and that was EARLY 90's ...

Most of the other good 90's defense just played slow ball (Cleveland) and hacked the out of scorers (miami and New york)

THE early 2000 spurs were better defensively IMHO than any team since the 90's Pistons and Bulls AND MJ vanquished one and played on the other ...

Trust me dont look at the stats ...look at the teams ...who was the defensive stopper on the Knicks or Heat of the 90's or the Cavs?

Would you rather face starks, steve Smith and Gerald wilkins or Raja Bell, Battier, Posey SJAX and Bruce Bowen?

90's defense overrated ... only 3 truly great defensive teams since i have been watching ball Pistons 90's and once last decade Mj's bulls and spurs ...

[Chieflion]

You obviously mad at that hardcore defense

All I see in that video was Kobe whining whenever a Celtic went physical with him. Or his arm flailing whenever he put up a jump shot. And those were illegal tactics. You just proved my point. Kobe's defenders should not be allowed to hand check Kobe. They did. That is a foul but the refs did not call it. Celtics got away with illegal . That was all.

[Allanon]

All I see in that video was Kobe whining whenever a Celtic went physical with him. Or his arm flailing whenever he put up a jump shot. . .

You are obviously a blind hater if that is all you saw.

There were quite a few articles ranking the 2008 Celtics as one of the best defenses ever.

You mad?

[Chieflion]

You are obviously a blind hater if that is all you saw.

There were quite a few articles ranking the 2008 Celtics as one of the best defenses ever.

You mad?

What else did you see? The Celtics were using legal defensive tactics one on one against Kobe? Not in that video.

[Allanon]

What else did you see? The Celtics were using legal defensive tactics one on one against Kobe? Not in that video.

I see defense as tough as or tougher than the "real 90's defense" video you posted.

You mad cuz of this?

First of all, I would like you guys to watch this video, showing you the real defense of the 90s.



You guys decide for yourselves whether it is easier to score against the 90s Knicks or the defense these days.

[Chieflion]

I see defense as tough as or tougher than the video you posted.

You mad cuz of this?

I see plenty of illegal defensive tactics, refs swallowing their whistles and the video maker complaining and whining about the illegal defensive tactics. Those tactics were dirty. Not "tough". In the 90s, handchecking was legal, snd fighting for position in the post was very physical. Obviously, you didn't see the video.

[Allanon]

I see plenty of illegal defensive tactics, refs swallowing their whistles and the video maker complaining and whining about the illegal defensive tactics. Those tactics were dirty. Not "tough".

As tough or tougher than this

[Killakobe81]

Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Defense

If you had to guard MJ would you rather have the Payton (great defender but too small) Dumars (ditto) Bobby Phills (RIP)?! eddie Jones (i love eddie BUT) or

Battier, Bell, SJAX, Prince, Bowen Kobe etc? 90's overrated you take away MJ and most of that decade was ...sorry.

I agree MJ was GOAT but league was watered down way down ...

[Killakobe81]

Better than Knicks defense:

Twin tower spurs and any of their first 3 le teams ....

90's bulls ESPECIALLY the first 3 ...

the bad boys

2008 Celts ....

the Larry Brown Pistons

Any of the above destroys Knicks, heat, Jazz suns etc. of the 90's

in fact Id take 2000 sixers defense over that Knicks defense because they did it without cheap fouls

[dbreiden83080]

Of course he does, he wants to prove he can be as good as Jordan which we all know he isn't and never will be.

He's not even in Jordan's realm..

[Metheny]

1990-1991 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 31.5
2. Karl Malone-UTA 29.0
3. Bernard King-WSB 28.4
4. Charles Barkley*-PHI 27.6
5. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 26.6
6. Michael Adams-DEN 26.5
7. Dominique Wilkins*-ATL 25.9
8. Chris Mullin-GSW 25.7
9. David Robinson*-SAS 25.6

Wheres the perimeter players???


1991-1992 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 30.1
2. Karl Malone-UTA 28.0
3. Chris Mullin-GSW 25.6
4. Clyde Drexler*-POR 25.0
5. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 24.0

okay....



1992-1993 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 32.6
2. Dominique Wilkins*-ATL 29.9
3. Karl Malone-UTA 27.0
4. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 26.1
5. Charles Barkley*-PHO 25.6
6. Patrick Ewing*-NYK 24.2

again.... jordan perimeter player


1994-1995 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. Shaquille O'Neal-ORL 29.3
2. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 27.8
3. David Robinson*-SAS 27.6
4. Karl Malone-UTA 26.7
5. Jamal Mashburn-DAL 24.1

Perimeter players?

1995-1996 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 30.4
2. Hakeem Olajuwon*-HOU 26.9
3. Shaquille O'Neal-ORL 26.6
4. Karl Malone-UTA 25.7
5. David Robinson*-SAS 25.0

(notice, only one perimeter player)




1997-1998 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. Michael Jordan*-CHI 28.7
2. Shaquille O'Neal-LAL 28.3
3. Karl Malone-UTA 27.0
(these were the only 3 players over 24ppg)




RULES CHANGE WTF HE NEED ANOTHER MICHAEL JORDAN WHERE NOT DOING SO WELL !!!!!
2003-2004 ppg:

1. Tracy McGrady-ORL 28.0
2. Peja Stojakovic-SAC 24.2
3. Kevin Garnett-MIN 24.2
4. Kobe Bryant-LAL 24.0


2004-2005 ppg (rules changes in full effect)
(Notice a e in scoring and notice how many perimeter players top the PPG lists)

Points Per Game Leaders

1. Allen Iverson-PHI 30.7
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 27.6
3. LeBron James-CLE 27.2
4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.1
5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 26.0
6. Tracy McGrady-HOU 25.7
7. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 25.5
8. Vince Carter-TOT 24.5
9. Dwyane Wade-MIA 24.1

Woah wtf is going here O yeah forgot 3 second rule no handchecking 8-9 More FT a game..... etc



2005-2006 ppg

Points Per Game Leaders

1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 35.4
2. Allen Iverson-PHI 33.0
3. LeBron James-CLE 31.4
4. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 29.3
5. Dwyane Wade-MIA 27.2
6. Paul Pierce-BOS 26.8
7. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 26.6
8. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 26.5
9. Michael Redd-MIL 25.4
10. Ray Allen-SEA 25.1
11. Elton Brand-LAC 24.7
12. Vince Carter-NJN 24.2


2006-2007 ppg

Points Per Game Leaders

1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 31.6
2. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 28.9
3. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 28.4
4. LeBron James-CLE 27.3
5. Michael Redd-MIL 26.7
6. Ray Allen-SEA 26.4
7. Allen Iverson-TOT 26.3
8. Vince Carter-NJN 25.2
9. Joe Johnson-ATL 25.0
10. Tracy McGrady-HOU 24.6
11. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 24.6


2007-2008 ppg

Points Per Game leaders

1. LeBron James-CLE 30.0
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 28.3
3. Allen Iverson-DEN 26.4
4. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 25.7
5. Amare Stoudemire-PHO 25.2

2008-2009 ppg

Points Per Game

1. Dwyane Wade-MIA 30.2
2. LeBron James-CLE 28.4
3. Kobe Bryant-LAL 26.8
4. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 25.9
5. Danny Granger-IND 25.8
6. Kevin Durant-OKC 25.3



Just to show you kobe s the real facts

[crc21209]

Today's star guards.....Kobe, Wade, etc. wouldnt last a day in the 80's NBA style of play...

[TheGreatest23]

Today's star guards.....Kobe, Wade, etc. wouldnt last a day in the 80's NBA style of play...

This cat is absolutely right. You can add Michael Jordan to that list too. The old 23 couldn't do crap in the 80's.

Bow down to The King, es.

[MiamiHeat]

This cat is absolutely right. You can add Michael Jordan to that list too. The old 23 couldn't do crap in the 80's.

Bow down to The King, es.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4 posts, with sigs and trash talking all set up already?

I smell a Laker fan posing as a Cavs fan to troll

[TheGreatest23]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4 posts, with sigs and trash talking all set up already?

I smell a Laker fan posing as a Cavs fan to troll

Sons, you look like Nick Cage.

Bow down to The King, .