Conveniently leaves out the first sentence in that post. The one with the main point.
Duncan was also responsible for about 90% of Parker's assists and scoring plays that series, the guy was a ing beast. True MVP.If you watched the 07 finals you'd know that it was the spurs team defense not Bowen who stopped lebron. The spurs would pack the paint and throw constant double teams at lebron.
most of the time you see Bruce getting beat here till a prime Duncan or teammate comes over and helps
You gonna start naming them? Bowen is probably in most fans top seven, and he's not even top 15.
People think Bowen could guard a prime Lebron
Look at that video, Lebron was doing whatever he wanted, creating separation with absolute ease, he could get to the rim and get an easy layup whenever he wanted, Duncan was there though.
Makes me wonder what Lebron at 270lbs would look like against Bowen. Leonard had the size/strength to guard him and remain stabilized, keep Lebron from doing what he wanted.
Depends on exactly what you want. If you want to measure general defensive impact, then DRtg isn't horrible (just a terrible measure of perimeter defense). If you're talking about man defense, then PPP allowed is easily the best in my opinion (since large sample sizes eliminate almost all of the noise). On/off numbers are good too, but I don't really like adjusted stats unless I read the forumlae first. They're nice in general when discussing players, and some of them end up being pretty fair to folks like Bowen.
Man, we all know about what Chinook thinks about solid D...only PPP
Conveniently leaves out the first sentence in that post. The one with the main point.
Just quote him a bit on that, talk about other things like steals, rebounds, things like one on one/overall defense, then all know the answer.
However he's right about he's not the only one who does that.
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Agreed.
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I love how Carlos Boozer single-handedly killed defensive rating, tbh..
Bowen himself have said in numerous occasions that Kawhi is better than him but we have all these Old dudes talking nonsense here..
Links to the numerous occasions?Bowen himself have said in numerous occasions that Kawhi is better than him but we have all these Old dudes talking nonsense here..
Spurs don't win a le with Bowen guarding Lebron last year.Bowen himself have said in numerous occasions that Kawhi is better than him but we have all these Old dudes talking nonsense here..
I thought leonard was good against lebron last year but Lebron dominated last year's finals..
There is just no way you could stop Lebron.
It was really Leonard offense that changed and allowed the spurs to win big against the heat.
I felt like Lebron dominated but didn't "dominate" if that makes sense. I think Leonard just didn't have the strength or experience to guard him that well in '13, '14 he looked much stronger and was better overall.
If you see that '07 video, damn, Lebron had no trouble doing what he wanted against Bowen, 0 resistance, kept on sucking in the defense. Good thing they didn't have any 3pt shooters and were terrible in general, that would've made the Spurs pay dearly. Allowed the Spurs to pack the paint and focus the entire defense. Lebron scored on Leonard but couldn't get that kind of position, couldn't break down the defense and get easy shots like he always does, all sorts of ball denial too.
I felt Leonard was a bit overrated on defense these past 2 years, but he's on a whole other level this year and is much more physically developed, one of the best perimeter defenders I've ever seen.
Look at post #110Bowen himself have said in numerous occasions that Kawhi is better than him but we have all these Old dudes talking nonsense here..
I just asked for a couple of links. I hadn't seen him say it.Look at post #110
It's not like I welshed on a leave of absence or anything like that.
Like many of you, I watched the entire Bowen era and have seen the entire Kawhi/Danny era as well.
My memory of Bowen is that he was a very different kind of defender than either of our current wings. I remember him struggling against "strong" wings, but being very good at guarding traditional 1-3 players, and the occasional jump-shooting 4. He was better at guarding PGs than Kawhi, and better at guarding 4s than Green. He was also very much a specialist, relying on foot/hand speed, psychological games, and the corner 3.
Much of Bowen's success came from the fact that he had a very narrow role on the team, and got exceptionally good within that niche. Hound ball handlers and shooters. Funnel to the bigs. Hit a long jumper from 2-3 spots on the floor. He was never as versatile in our offense as either Danny or Kawhi. He also commanded a smaller salary than either of them will. And perhaps his biggest contribution, he forced opposing teams to adjust their normal offensive gameplan while his strengths allowed him to perfectly fit into ours.
Kawhi is MUCH more athletically gifted, and a better rebounder, scorer, and defender of strong guys. Danny is a much better shot-blocker, and a more versatile shooter. Both will command a much higher salary, and in Kawhi's case, dictate the flow of our own offense. It's not really an apples-to-apples comparison.
No, that doesn't make sense.
So what you're actually saying is a 23 year old Kawhi Leonard is a better defender than a 35 year old Bruce Bowen. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a wiener!
That's a pretty fair assessment.
Another way to look at this argument, I think you could replace Green with Bowen on this current team and the spurs would be slightly better. But if you replaced Leonard with Bowen they would not be championship contenders.
Kawhi is already better than bowen would ever be. That includes defense too.
Green not so much though.
spurs offense would take a hit if you replaced the greatest 3 point shooter in finals history with Bowen.
icy cold? Dude hurt just as much as he helped.
Made more 3s in 1 finals than Bowen did in 3icy cold? Dude hurt just as much as he helped.
Green also shat the bed when we fed him the ball in game 6 and 7. Unplayable at that point. Hurt us ing bad.Made more 3s in 1 finals than Bowen did in 3
Bowen made up the offense with his elite defense. Green is never getting close to that.
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