NBA: Lebron James is a lock for the TOP 10 GOAT list

[StrengthAndHonor]

according to Al-Quobe, he's hated because he didn't win MVP in 2006 on a 45 win team, when the last time someone won MVP on a sub-50 win team was Moses Malone in 1982

they're so convinced his stat whoring festival in 2006 was an all time spectacular performance for the ages that it warranted the media doing something it hasn't done since 1982, so the only viable reason he didn't win MVP is because he's hated

Kobe definitely doesn't derseve to even sniff that 2006 MVP award. But so does Steve Nash

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Adande has nothing good to say about Kobe? Tell me you're kidding

This entire season the media has been jerking the stat lines Kobe is putting up off while blaming the fact his team sucks on everyone other than Kobe. If you listened to what ESPN has been saying about Kobe and ignored everything else, you'd assume the Lakers have a great record given the fact they seem to think Kobe is helping a winning team win.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kobe definitely doesn't derseve to even sniff that 2006 MVP award. But so does Steve Nash

bringing Steve Nash up when the argument has nothing to do with it because I'm a Suns fan and you ran out of actual arguments to present

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kobe gets a pass because of his unique situation. MVP is a popularity award and Kobe is quite possibly the most hated figure in this era so its no surprise he only has one in his career.

Name a year other than 2008 when he deserved MVP but didn't win it. I want a specific example of when Kobe being hated robbed him of an MVP award.

Again, all those players except Wilt have experienced the same success. Which is to win back to back champions and win the series MVP on these series. Add Kobe to that list and its easy to see why he belongs there.

No, they haven't. Kareem, Magic, Bird, and Duncan have not won back to back finals MVP.

[StrengthAndHonor]

bringing Steve Nash up when the argument has nothing to do with it because I'm a Suns fan and you ran out of actual arguments to present

I don't even think you're a Suns fan tbh. No Suns fans would ever one ride Lebron this much.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't even think you're a Suns fan tbh. No Suns fans would ever one ride Lebron this much.

going off on another tangent ignoring the content of the post
bringing Steve Nash up in a thread about all time greats

[StrengthAndHonor]

This entire season the media has been jerking the stat lines Kobe is putting up off while blaming the fact his team sucks on everyone other than Kobe. If you listened to what ESPN has been saying about Kobe and ignored everything else, you'd assume the Lakers have a great record given the fact they seem to think Kobe is helping a winning team win.

Nope. All points towards Kobe's defense as the culprit. I mean, ESPN has a tracker of the Lakers record when Kobe scores 30 or more points this season Imagine that.

[Clipper Nation]

Al-Quobe

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

that was a Harlem creation, tbh

[StrengthAndHonor]

Name a year other than 2008 when he deserved MVP but didn't win it. I want a specific example of when Kobe being hated robbed him of an MVP award..

2009 possibly. Despite shooting better (TS%) he lowered his scoring volume and stuck to the same game plan which helped the Lakers win 65 games that year and going all the way to NBA Finals. He actually deserved the MVP that year but Lebron ended up winning the award only to lose to a 5 seed Magic team. But yea, that's quite possible one those year where the media decided one MVP is enough.




No, they haven't. Kareem, Magic, Bird, and Duncan have not won back to back finals MVP.[/QUOTE]

[Clipper Nation]

Name a year other than 2008 when he deserved MVP but didn't win it.

Son, he didn't even deserve it in 2008, CP3 did...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Name a year other than 2008 when he deserved MVP but didn't win it. I want a specific example of when Kobe being hated robbed him of an MVP award.


No, they haven't. Kareem, Magic, Bird, and Duncan have not won back to back finals MVP.

Bird did, the rest didn't which shows Kobe actually belongs to an even more exclusive list (MJ, Bird, Olajuwon, Shaq Back to back FMVP recipients)

Thanks dude.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Son, he didn't even deserve it in 2008, CP3 did...

It couldve gone both ways. Playing on the same conference however, their last meeting during that regular season was practically going to determine whose the MVP ( I know its shallow but during that time, it was huge). The Lakers won that game and Kobe had a stellar game. That win also puts the Lakers record a game better than the Hornets.

[Koolaid_Man]

Son, he didn't even deserve it in 2008, CP3 did...

since it's written in stone that my Lakers aren't doing diddly squat this year...I want to use CP3 and/ or Durant to do my dirty work for me...if either one of those sissy ass cucks can eliminate the Spurs and then take out the Heat I may re-consider how I view them...but that's the criteria...Beat Duncan and beat Lebron and I will add them to my top 5 GOAT list * (see footnote) right behind Kobe...

* adding them to my Goat list is guaranteed to last a minmium of 1 year...I will even insure my GOAT listing to make sure it's protected...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

2009 possibly. Despite shooting better (TS%) he lowered his scoring volume and stuck to the same game plan which helped the Lakers win 65 games that year and going all the way to NBA Finals. He actually deserved the MVP that year but Lebron ended up winning the award only to lose to a 5 seed Magic team. But yea, that's quite possible one those year where the media decided one MVP is enough.

More revisionist history. The Magic were a 59 win 3 seed. Let me guess, you saying they were a 5 seed was a tongue in cheek comment not to be taken literally?

MVP is a regular season award, so how in the is what the Cavs/Lakers did in the playoffs relevant to your argument? Lebron losing to the Magic is completely irrelevant to the MVP award, it's not something that's decided in hindsight. Lebron's team won more games, so Kobe's team winning 65 games is a week argument. Lebron dominated Kobe in every which way statistically that year carrying a much weaker supporting cast to more regular season wins (which is what's used be MVP award voters).

So basically, your argument is that hatred towards Kobe prevented him from winning MVP in 2009 because the media decided the award without considering events that happened after the MVP voting took place. Got it. Makes total sense.

No, they haven't. Kareem, Magic, Bird, and Duncan have not won back to back finals MVP.

ignoring this

[HarlemHeat37]

that's the point, you clown..

You can cherry-pick accolades and create an exclusive list, such as yours, that does not include several key legends and consensus top 10 players..

The Finals MVP + Regular Season MVP includes everybody except ONE guy..why is he the only player of this group that could not accomplish this feat?..

at the media hating, are you ing kidding me?..Kobe's teammates are ALWAYS the scapegoats, how is that. En arguable?..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Bird did, the rest didn't which shows Kobe actually belongs to an even more exclusive list (MJ, Bird, Olajuwon, Shaq Back to back FMVP recipients)

Thanks dude.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...inals_mvp.html

When did Bird win back to back finals MVP? Which two years?

This is some amazingly shameless revisionist history on your part. I'm impressed.

[dunkman]

Bird did, the rest didn't which shows Kobe actually belongs to an even more exclusive list (MJ, Bird, Olajuwon, Shaq Back to back FMVP recipients)

Thanks dude.

The best player of the 87 and 88 Lakers was Magic. Worthy winning one of the final MVP's does mean that much, its a smaller sample then the MVP award. The best player of the 89 and 90 Pistons was Thomas, but he only got 1 finals MVP.

Should have Kobe played the right way, which means less selfish, he probably wouldn't have won the 2010 finals MVP. Kobe almost shot the Lakers down in the finals, but he got bailed out by Gasol and Artest.

The players that dominate FGA will win the finals MVP always if their team succeed in winning the championship, but that's not necessarily the best way of maximizing team success.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

at the media hating, are you ing kidding me?..Kobe's teammates are ALWAYS the scapegoats, how is that. En arguable?..

He already explained why the media hates Kobe. In 2009, the media voted Lebron MVP over Kobe without considering the Magic Cavs series that hadn't happened yet. I'm convinced.

[StrengthAndHonor]

More revisionist history. The Magic were a 59 win 3 seed. Let me guess, you saying they were a 5 seed was a tongue in cheek comment not to be taken literally?

I stand corrected. They're a 3rd seed not 5. Must be thinking of another lower seed that beat Lebron's Cavs, Boston in 2010 but I think they may be a 4th seed.

MVP is a regular season award, so how in the is what the Cavs/Lakers did in the playoffs relevant to your argument? Lebron losing to the Magic is completely irrelevant to the MVP award, it's not something that's decided in hindsight. Lebron's team won more games, so Kobe's team winning 65 games is a week argument. Lebron dominated Kobe in every which way statistically that year carrying a much weaker supporting cast to more regular season wins (which is what's used be MVP award voters).?

Lebron won 1 game in a weaker conference. What a come back. And Lebron dominated Kobe in what? PER?

So basically, your argument is that hatred towards Kobe prevented him from winning MVP in 2009 because the media decided the award without considering events that happened after the MVP voting took place. Got it. Makes total sense.

Kobe did not even run away with that MVP in 2008. So, In order to win another one, the buzz that year was that, under his wing, the Lakers needed to be a better team and Kobe must take that leadership in 2008 and improve upon that.


Kobe did both. The Lakers won more games in 2009 (65-58) and he matured as a player that year setting other personal goals aside (lower PPG and maintaning the same amount of FGA like his MVP yea while shooting a better percentage TS%) and ultimately winning the le the same year.

If you can't see thats not a better season then you have a problem brah.

ignoring this

Did not, I addressed it. Thanks to you, I actually have more reason to believe that Kobe now gets a pass. He's one of the few guys in the history of the league to win B2B Championships and Finals MVP.

[HarlemHeat37]

not only was Lebron better than Kobe in every facet that year, but he even performed better against Orlando..38/8/8 was a legendary performance..it would have probably helped a little if he had Gasol/Odom/Jackson/Bynum, tbh..

[StrengthAndHonor]

Should have Kobe played the right way, which means less selfish, he probably wouldn't have won the 2010 finals MVP. Kobe almost shot the Lakers down in the finals, but he got bailed out by Gasol and Artest.
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Fwiw, Gasol shot slightly worse in Game 7. Gasol was 6/16 from the field and 7/13 from the FT line.

[StrengthAndHonor]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...inals_mvp.html

When did Bird win back to back finals MVP? Which two years?

This is some amazingly shameless revisionist history on your part. I'm impressed.

So, its just Jordan, Kobe, Olajuwon and Shaq.

List just became a lot more exclusive

[StrengthAndHonor]

not only was Lebron better than Kobe in every facet that year, but he even performed better against Orlando..38/8/8 was a legendary performance..it would have probably helped a little if he had Gasol/Odom/Jackson/Bynum, tbh..

I'll give Lebron that. He did had a great series but its all pointless since they are heavily favored to win the East at the very least and he failed to elevate his 60 win team against a pedestrian team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Please tell me more about how the Magic were a 5 seed. I'm very curious.

Lebron won 1 game in a weaker conference. What a come back.

He won more games with a much weaker supporting cast. Do you deny that?

And Lebron dominated Kobe in what? PER?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...per_game::none

The better question would be what stat Lebron didn't dominate Kobe in

Kobe did not even run away with that MVP in 2008. So, In order to win another one, the buzz that year was that, under his wing, the Lakers needed to be a better team and Kobe must take that leadership in 2008 and improve upon that.

What? How is this relevant to why he deserved it over Lebron.

Kobe did both. The Lakers won more games in 2009 (65-58) and he matured as a player that year setting other personal goals aside (lower PPG and maintaning the same amount of FGA like his MVP yea while shooting a better percentage TS%) and ultimately winning the le the same year.

You keep thinking the fact Kobe won a le in 09 is somehow relevant to the MVP award. Why?

Your argument is nothing but sentimental bull . This isn't the Heisman trophy, you don't get votes for stories like setting personal goals aside. Absolutely nothing here is an argument for why he deserved it over Lebron.

If you can't see thats not a better season then you have a problem brah.

, I have the problem because I can't see your logic about how Kobe winning a championship in 2009 is relevant to the MVP award?