Heat: Lebron's reign maybe longer than I thought ...

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Miami had an elite defense for both Finals runs with Lebron anchoring the D and guarding the opposing team's best wing for long stretches..Iguodala, Pierce x2, Derrick Rose/Luol Deng, Danny Granger, Carmelo Anthony..he didn't guard Durant much, to be fair..

Jordan only guarded the opposing team's best wing for short stretches, Pippen almost always took the assignment..

Kobe has rarely guarded the opposing team's best, despite the beliefs of Al-Quobe..Rick Fox/Ariza/Artest always took the assignments..he shouldn't even be mentioned in this argument, tbh..

this

[ginobilized]

Right now Lebron has won 1 in row
Long road ahead for him
He will never surpass Horry imo

[lefty]

Jordan never lost in the Finals TBH


He would have beaten the 2007 Spurs and the 2011 Mavs, obviously

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm not selling Wade short, btw, he's one of the best defensive 2-guards of all-time, but he was injured and he's too small to guard most of those SFs that Lebron had to guard..

Hey numnuts...who are the small forwards Lebron has to guard?

[Ashy Larry]

Dude is far and way the best player in the league right now. Somehow he's found a 3 point shot too. Only question now is his clutchness. I'd still rather have Wade (or Allen) shooting that final shot.

no question ......

[Koolaid_Man]

Miami had an elite defense for both Finals runs with Lebron anchoring the D and guarding the opposing team's best wing for long stretches..Iguodala, Pierce x2, Derrick Rose/Luol Deng, Danny Granger, Carmelo Anthony..he didn't guard Durant much, to be fair..

Jordan only guarded the opposing team's best wing for short stretches, Pippen almost always took the assignment..

Kobe has rarely guarded the opposing team's best, despite the beliefs of Al-Quobe..Rick Fox/Ariza/Artest always took the assignments..he shouldn't even be mentioned in this argument, tbh..

[Koolaid_Man]

that made my day Harlem...thanks

[StrengthAndHonor]

I thought Kool brought some valid points outside of his constant Kobe fanboy remarks. Lebron never really had to face tough defenses in his winning career. Lebron faced Boston when they were past their prime. I thought Kobe faced the toughest defense perimeter any wing could face which was the 2008 Boston Celtics. Jordan had the Knicks and Pistons. Those teams were on another level. Better than any team Lebron has encountered.

[resistanze]

I thought Kool brought some valid points outside of his constant Kobe fanboy remarks. Lebron never really had to face tough defenses in his winning career. Lebron faced Boston when they were past their prime. I thought Kobe faced the toughest defense perimeter any wing could face which was the 2008 Boston Celtics. Jordan had the Knicks and Pistons. Those teams were on another level. Better than any team Lebron has encountered.

Huh? LeBron faced the 2008 Celtics and took them to 7 games on a much crappier team...

[Koolaid_Man]

I thought Kool brought some valid points outside of his constant Kobe fanboy remarks. Lebron never really had to face tough defenses in his winning career. Lebron faced Boston when they were past their prime. I thought Kobe faced the toughest defense perimeter any wing could face which was the 2008 Boston Celtics. Jordan had the Knicks and Pistons. Those teams were on another level. Better than any team Lebron has encountered.

yep..they got in my ass... James Posey, Tony Allen, Pail Pierce, Ray Allen...they had them s in rotation coming at Kobe in waves....incidentally that's something else MJ never had to face...that kind of defense along with 3 1st ballot HOF players including Rondo...Lebron ain't had to face ... been skating...the one time he faced a good team from the West on a consistent basis ended up with him being swept in the finals....Lebron would cry bloody murder in a hand check league...dude isn't built for it mentally and that's what separates him from MJ and Kobe... he'll even Reggie Miller faced tougher defenses than Lebron...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Huh? LeBron faced the 2008 Celtics and took them to 7 games on a much crappier team...

Lebron shot 55/155 in 7 games in that series good for % 35 which proved my point.

[StrengthAndHonor]

yep..they got in my ass... James Posey, Tony Allen, Pail Pierce, Ray Allen...they had them s in rotation coming at Kobe in waves....incidentally that's something else MJ never had to face...that kind of defense along with 3 1st ballot HOF players including Rondo...Lebron ain't had to face ... been skating...the one time he faced a good team from the West on a consistent basis ended up with him being swept in the finals....Lebron would cry bloody murder in a hand check league...dude isn't built for it mentally and that's what separates him from MJ and Kobe... he'll even Reggie Miller faced tougher defenses than Lebron...

I thought mentally, LeBron WAS a midget for sure. But after winning his championship that's yesterday's news. A matter of fact he's playing better this season which is absurd! There's no stopping him now for a few more years.

[DeadlyDynasty]

LeBron and Wade were reppin' the 305 today...respect.

[resistanze]

Lebron shot 55/155 in 7 games in that series good for % 35 which proved my point.

Well, no it didn't and had really nothing to do with your original point. You made it sound like Kobe had to face the 2008 Celtics historic defense while LeBron didn't, when he in fact did. His poor shooting against the 2008 Celtics (like Kobe) is besides the point (and LeBron was able to drop 45 points on 48% shooting in game 7). Kobe shot 49/118 for 41% including 131-92 in that NBA Finals, so I still don't get your overall point.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Well, no it didn't and had really nothing to do with your original point. You made it sound like Kobe had to face the 2008 Celtics historic defense while LeBron didn't, when he in fact did.

I shouldve been more clear. I was typing on my phone and I hate typing things in details sometimes using it. What I mean is that Lebron never had to face a team like the Celtics during his championship year which was last year or even the previous year. He had a pretty easy path to the Finals for the most part of his career.

(and LeBron was able to drop 45 points on 48% shooting in game 7). .

Irrelevant. Kobe scored 36 points on 60% shooting in Game 3, so what? Both loss. I was actually praising the Boston Celtics defense tbh and both Lebron and Kobe's performances in that season proved it.

[resistanze]

I shouldve been more clear. I was typing on my phone and I hate typing things in details sometimes using it. What I mean is that Lebron never had to face a team like the Celtics during his championship year which was last year or even the previous year. He had a pretty easy path to the Finals for the most part of his career.

Well this entire point is moot by bringing up the 2008 Celtics considering this isn't an example of a successful Kobe championship run. The following year when Kobe won a ring he went through the Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets and Magic. If anything you're arguing against both LeBron and Kobe.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Its not moot. Kobe faced the Celtics again and won the second time in the Finals. Sure it wasn't the 2008 Celtics, but that 2010 team was still excellent. They ranked 3rd and 2nd in both defensive rating and points allowed in the post season.

[resistanze]

Its not moot. Kobe faced the Celtics again and won the second time in the Finals. Sure it wasn't the 2008 Celtics, but that 2010 team was still excellent. They ranked 3rd and 2nd in both defensive rating and points allowed in the post season.

Which of course, has to do with the 2010 Celtics, not the 2008 Celtics.

And the 2011 Celtics (that LeBron's Heat spanked in 5 games) had a better defensive rating, better Opponent PPG and a better overall record than the 2010 Celtics. So yes I still see your overall point as moot.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Rd

Which of course, has to do with the 2010 Celtics, not the 2008 Celtic

And the 2011 Celtics (that LeBron's Heat spanked in 5 games) had a better defensive rating, better Opponent PPG and a better overall record than the 2010 Celtics. So yes I still see your overall point as moot.

2011 Celtics were relics. Go yourself.

[resistanze]

Rd

2011 Celtics were relics. Go yourself.

I was waiting for you to give up on your idiotic takes and resort to name calling. Good game.

[StrengthAndHonor]

So idiotic you cant resist from quoting me. Suck a dong got and wipe that vaseline residue off your ass.

[resistanze]

So a summary of this convo:

Dumbass: Unlike Kobe, LeBron never had to face a team like the 2008 Celtics!
Me: ...LeBron faced the 2008 Celtics too.
Dumbass: But he shot poorly from the field!
Me: That wasn't your argument, and so did Kobe.
Dumbass: What I meant was LeBron never had to face a team like the 2008 Celtics in a Championship year!
Me: Well since Kobe also lost to the 2008 Celtics, it wasn't a championship year for him either.
Dumbass: But Kobe beat the 2010 Celtics!
Me: What does that have to do with the 2008 Celtics? And Lebron beat the 2011 Celtics that were statistically better.
Dumbass: Go yourself!

Dumbass

[StrengthAndHonor]

@ cliffnotes as if people give a damn. Butthurt recipient at its most excruciating pain.

[Latarian Milton]

mavs had big daddy TC covering up the paint for them which gave them a solid foundation to build everything upon. mavs played better as a team and it paid off for them, but it doesn't mean we didn't have a chance. mavs were underdogs in that series and we apparently had the upperhand after beating them in game 3, but we blew our chance away tbh

[resistanze]

@ cliffnotes as if people give a damn. Butthurt recipient at its most excruciating pain.

From trying to defend ty takes to vehement name calling
Calling anyone butthurt
Foaming at the mouth
Moving goalposts
Just a bad human being