Mid-Late 90s/early 2000s rap was...

[xmas1997]

Excellent do entary touching on exactly this.


Copyright Criminals
"Long before people began posting their homemade video mashups on the Web, hip-hop musicians were perfecting the art of audio montage through sampling. Sampling — or riffing — is as old as music itself, but new technologies developed in the 1980s and 1990s made it easier to reuse existing sound recordings. Acts like Public Enemy, De La Soul and the Beastie Boys created complex rhythms, references and nuanced layers of original and appropriated sound. But by the early 1990s, sampling had collided with the law. When recording industry lawyers got involved, what was once called "borrowed melody" became "copyright infringement."

COPYRIGHT CRIMINALS examines the creative and commercial value of musical sampling, including the related debates over artistic expression, copyright law and money. The film showcases many of hip-hop music's founding figures like Public Enemy, De La Soul and Digital Underground, as well as emerging artists such as audiovisual remixers Eclectic Method. It also provides first-person interviews with artists who have been sampled, such as Clyde Stubblefield — James Brown's drummer and the world's most sampled musician — and commentary by another highly sampled musician, funk legend George Clinton.

Computers, mobile phones and other interactive technologies are changing our relationships with media, blurring the line between producer and consumer and radically changing what it means to be creative. As artists find more inventive ways to insert old influences into new material, COPYRIGHT CRIMINALS poses the question: Can you own a sound?"

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Excellent post. I am starting to get where some of you are coming from now.
I may have to change my opinion.

[TSA]

Excellent post. I am starting to get where some of you are coming from now.
I may have to change my opinion.

Here is one of my all time favorites from the DMC team World Champs----Birdy Nam Nam

What's really different about this set is each guy is scratching a single instrument in order to create their "band".

[resistanze]

If you had left out your last sentence with the insult, I would have comprehended your opinion and kept an open mind.
But you had to be insulting and that negated your whole point.
Try again sometime when you have learned how to discuss an issue.
I guess I have to continue tutoring you until you "get" it.
In the meantime, I don't buy what you are selling.
Sorry, it fails miserably!

Why do you post paragraphs saying nothing? You can sum up your idiotic posts in less than 10 words, tbh

[xmas1997]

Why do you post paragraphs saying nothing? You can sum up your idiotic posts in less than 10 words, tbh

I've been told this before, it's a valid statement. How's that for being concise?

[2pac > Kobe]

Excellent post. I am starting to get where some of you are coming from now.
I may have to change my opinion.

dumb

[xmas1997]

dumb

How so?
Because you say so?
Who are you?
And that doesn't show your intelligence?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you had left out your last sentence with the insult, I would have comprehended your opinion and kept an open mind.
But you had to be insulting and that negated your whole point.
Try again sometime when you have learned how to discuss an issue.
I guess I have to continue tutoring you until you "get" it.
In the meantime, I don't buy what you are selling.
Sorry, it fails miserably!

So now you are all knowing? You are ignorant to the genre thus you asking questions about it. You read it and now you know. You can go for the self righteous schtick all you like but you are ignorant to the genre that is an accurate and fair statement. The truth is still the truth no matter how repugnant.

You fail miserably by your hubris.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

All of that is rhythm and harmony.

False. Yes, it's rhythm but there's no harmony there. DJ's really don't care about staying in key. Plus, the harmony isn't really played by the DJ but the people he's sampling.

if that is not music then neither is something like the trumpet which is entirely single notes in a set range much less something like the tympani or even less the bass drum.

That's pretty much nonsense. A trumpet and tympani are pitched instruments so they can make music. Just because it plays single notes doesn't make it not musical. Tympanis are normally played in a set of three so that like saying Middle C isn't musical on a full size grand piano. Idiotic, really. So, I guess you think that the only "music" that happens in a symphony are all the instruments outside of the string section???? Same thing for a regular band. Half the group is playing "music" and the rest are just wanking? Pfffff. Give me a break. A bass drum is percussive so that is the only thing that's right about your statement, so I'll give you that.

you're just ignorant

quite

[xmas1997]

False. Yes, it's rhythm but there's no harmony there. DJ's really don't care about staying in key. Plus, the harmony isn't really played by the DJ but the people he's sampling.

That's pretty much nonsense. A trumpet and tympani are pitched instruments so they can make music. Just because it plays single notes doesn't make it not musical. Tympanis are normally played in a set of three so that like saying Middle C isn't musical on a full size grand piano. Idiotic, really. So, I guess you think that the only "music" that happens in a symphony are all the instruments outside of the string section???? Same thing for a regular band. Half the group is playing "music" and the rest are just wanking? Pfffff. Give me a break. A bass drum is percussive so that is the only thing that's right about your statement, so I'll give you that.


quite

This is just one of the reasons why I don't reply to his posts with any kind of seriousness.
In fact I pay very little attention to his agendas either.
Why waste time and effort?
I just humor him. He needs humor more than anything.

[DJR210]

Why do you post paragraphs saying nothing? You can sum up your idiotic posts in less than 10 words, tbh

Truth.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

False. Yes, it's rhythm but there's no harmony there. DJ's really don't care about staying in key. Plus, the harmony isn't really played by the DJ but the people he's sampling.

That's pretty much nonsense. A trumpet and tympani are pitched instruments so they can make music. Just because it plays single notes doesn't make it not musical. Tympanis are normally played in a set of three so that like saying Middle C isn't musical on a full size grand piano. Idiotic, really. So, I guess you think that the only "music" that happens in a symphony are all the instruments outside of the string section???? Same thing for a regular band. Half the group is playing "music" and the rest are just wanking? Pfffff. Give me a break. A bass drum is percussive so that is the only thing that's right about your statement, so I'll give you that.


quite

By adjusting the speed at which something is played, you adjust the pitch. You dismiss that by saying that DJs do not care about pitch but that is completely unjustified. Have you ever tried to match beats? I have and I do care about tonality. Sure there is some hip hop is discordant but not all of it is. Your blanket dismissal as with most of your takes is weak.

You ignored the point I was making about scratching.

I never said that everything outside of strings was not music. I want you to read what I wrote again. Note that I used the conditional 'if.' Think about it and try to use basic reading skills. I am not going to respond to your contention about bands and symphonies as such. Of course those are musical instruments.

With a turntable you can take the key of the song and by adjusting the speed, take it through several octaves. The range of tone you can get out it is continuous. Saying 'DJs don't care' does not change those facts. You generalize that artists without cause. Quite frankly the blanket baseless dismissal is about as ty an argument as one can make.

A trumpet is a few octaves of single notes. A tympani is three tones. Two turntables and a microphone can make a hugely diverse amount of melodies. All of the are musical instruments.

Nice to see your still a butthurt, proud member of the fan club.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is just one of the reasons why I don't reply to his posts with any kind of seriousness.
In fact I pay very little attention to his agendas either.
Why waste time and effort?
I just humor him. He needs humor more than anything.

What agendas do I have?

I don't find you funny. I think you are a bag. Reading the posts on this page alone should show you that I am not the only one that feels that way. That does not hold true for everyone. I find many things funny. There is a time and a place for all things.

At least this time you didn't insult me and then say that is all I do. Now that is hilarious when you do that.

[xmas1997]

What agendas do I have?

I don't find you funny. I think you are a bag. Reading the posts on this page alone should show you that I am not the only one that feels that way. That does not hold true for everyone. I find many things funny. There is a time and a place for all things.

At least this time you didn't insult me and then say that is all I do. Now that is hilarious when you do that.

Ironic that you say that when I don't need to insult you simply because you do a perfectly fine job of doing that to yourself, better than I could ever do.
The irony is that you are oblivious of it.
Fine by me.

[Clipper Nation]

Excellent post. I am starting to get where some of you are coming from now.
I may have to change my opinion.

Check out the Roots while you're at it - they use live instrumentation when performing live, tbh:

[xmas1997]

Check out the Roots while you're at it - they use live instrumentation when performing live, tbh:

Thanks CN, I will.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ironic that you say that when I don't need to insult you simply because you do a perfectly fine job of doing that to yourself, better than I could ever do.
The irony is that you are oblivious of it.
Fine by me.

Oh so this is like your pursuit of truth. A bunch of bull analogies and allusions that you cannot barely articulate.

Remember when resistanze said that you write a lot of words that say nothing? That is what people take your act as. It is very apt as evidenced by your attempt here.

I get that I come across as an adversarial jerk. I am fine with that. I infinitely prefer that to being seen as saying much and meaning nothing at all.

[resistanze]

[resistanze]

Yeah late 90s/early 2000s was pretty dope.

[AchillesHeel]

Yeah late 90s/early 2000s was pretty dope.

This knows what's good

So much on my mind that I can't recline
Blastin holes in the night til she bled sunshine
Breathe in, inhale vapors from bright stars that shine
Breathe out, weed smoke retrace the skyline
Heard the bass ride out like an ancient mating call
I can't take it y'all, I can feel the city breathin
Chest heavin, against the flesh of the evening
Sigh before we die like the last train leaving

[Two10Whitey]

Will Smith was a lyrical genius back in the 90's.

[AchillesHeel]

this still cracks me up

[Two10Whitey]

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air


In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"


I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
License plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air!


I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabby "Yo, homes smell you later!"
Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-air

[AchillesHeel]

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air


In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"


I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
License plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air!


I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabby "Yo, homes smell you later!"
Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-air

[Two10Whitey]

Lmao Eminem was dope back in the day. Used to clown on Willie bad. Shoot he used to clown on everyone.

[rascal]

1960s was the best.

Lightnin Strikes- Lou Christie
See You In September - Happenings

Better than any rap put up in here.