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    As I said before, we dont use labels like "hispanic" but use "latin-americans" or "hispano-americans"... Thats close, but I think Manu didnt know the meaning, because we're not used to that label.If a list was made with the top 10 "latin-american" sportsmen... BELIEVE ME, there would be no trouble for Manu or anyone understanding the concept.
    It's a ing Spanish word...if you guys don't get it how the can you criticize an American for not getting it?

    Look you are never going to find a clear definition of race...you know why?

    Because there really isn't one...it's a European concept that classifies intelligence based on skin color...the lighter you are, the smarter you are.

    That's what it is...that's why it's a stumbling block. There is limited differences between folk of different skin tone at the genetic level...indeed the differences are due mostly to geography and environment.

    This should be obvious...I mean why doesn't Africa have the best basketball players in the World? They have the most blacks.

    So is it really that hard to understand why it s people up? Because it's a stupid ing concept.

    And on our applications here...you may see it referred to as race, or ethnicity...it's constantaly changing definition based on political correctness...not a basis in science.


    Hispanic is a relatively new word to the popular American lexicon...and we started using it because it was better than calling everyone that speaks Spanish, Mexican. Which is what we did previously.



    The thing is you like YOUR "hispanic" definition so much that given the case of any "white" spanish descendant, you'll say "He's probably got some german roots, he's not hispanic.'. Come on, say it.
    I think most people here define Hispanic as someone who speaks ing Spanish or originated in a country where Spanish was spoken...just because one person doesn't get it doesn't mean everyone doesn't.



    See the stupidity there... You think a european descendant is not hispanic.
    That's not ing true. One person said it. Get over it...Manu didn't get it either and he knows what hispania means.

    Do you think Mexico, Dominican Republic or Panama got speaking spanish all by themselves???
    No...they spoke it after they got conquered by Spain.

    But there are differences between the culture whether you guys speak ing Spanish or not...

    You guys are primarily European...Mexicans are primarily the descendants of the Aztecs, native Americans...the fact that ya'll speak the same language is a stupid thing to bond over if you ask me...about as stupid as doing it over racial reasons.


    Whats your definition of hispanic then?? "A not completely white dude", right?
    I know thats the thing, so save the words.
    Someone who speaks Spanish as their major language...or who had parents that did.

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    That's not true, I've only heard the rest of the world referring to the United States as americans in your movies . Here, you're the United States or yankeeland, and you're not Americans or gringos, you're yankees, doesn't matter if you're from the south or from the north of your country.

    bUt wait...I thought you high minded hispanics didn't look at things in racial terms and are ignorant of the concept...

    Next you're going to tell me what a Tanos is right?


    You know why they call us Americans?

    Becuase guess what ing what...we are the only country that has America in it's ing name.....that would be my reasoning behind it...and it's a lot easier than calling us United States of Americans...

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    That's not true, I've only heard the rest of the world referring to the United States as americans in your movies . Here, you're the United States or yankeeland, and you're not Americans or gringos, you're yankees, doesn't matter if you're from the south or from the north of your country.
    nope. sorry, you're giving false information here. I've spent lots of times in Europe and have a ton of relatives in Britain. They - especially the British- almost always refer to "America" instead of the other terms. They always say things like "We are not America's poodle" and "America wants to be police of the world". Take out "America" in those sentences and plug in "U.S." See? Doesn't work. In the middle east, they ONLY use the term "America".... I mean, seriously, when is the last time you heard "death to the United States!" or "the U.S.A. is the Great Satan" ? No, what you hear is..."Death to AMERICA"..."AMERICA is Great Satan".

    I also lived in Panama back in the 80's...they too say "America" and "Americans" .... as in "America f*cked this canal up!" and "I can't wait til you m*thr f*ck*ng Americans get the f*ck out of here!" and "America need to mind their own f*cking business".

    See? So don't tell me the rest of the world doesn't say "America".

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    nope. sorry, you're giving false information here. I've spent lots of times in Europe and have a ton of relatives in Britain. They - especially the British- almost always refer to "America" instead of the other terms. They always say things like "We are not America's poodle" and "America wants to be police of the world". Take out "America" in those sentences and plug in "U.S." See? Doesn't work. In the middle east, they ONLY use the term "America".... I mean, seriously, when is the last time you heard "death to the United States!" or "the U.S.A. is the Great Satan" ? No, what you hear is..."Death to AMERICA"..."AMERICA is Great Satan".

    I also lived in Panama back in the 80's...they too say "America" and "Americans" .... as in "America f*cked this canal up!" and "I can't wait til you m*thr f*ck*ng Americans get the f*ck out of here!" and "America need to mind their own f*cking business".

    See? So don't tell me the rest of the world doesn't say "America".
    Not to mention, "Ugly Americans"

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    No , it was me with the following comment:



    That just got you going man, and you went whottt on us.

    Whenever you are ready, we can discuss some more rugby, mofo. I will kick you ass one more time
    No smeagol...if was Hendrix that pissed me off. Seriously. I am just giving him a taste of his own bigotry. The Manu nicked guy was just an innocent bystander.


    If you are going to be a bigot you need to at least realize you are one...and he doesn't, he's talking about how open minded he is while he is throwing around bigoted statements 100 at a time. And neither does Fox Mulder IMO.

    Me? I am not racially bigoted but I am heavily bigoted against Islam(the religion) right now. At least I know it. I tend to be bigoted against backwards movements that attempt to opress human rights, womens rights, and regelates everyone that believes differently than they do to second class status.

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    I think most people here define Hispanic as someone who speaks ing Spanish or originated in a country where Spanish was spoken...just because one person doesn't get it doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

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    Look Whott, I realize we are pretty much on the same side of this debate, but I don't like being painted as the "one" person in America that "doesn't get it".
    If I don't get it, it's because I'm from a city which has about 600,000 hispanics, MOST of whom also apparantly don't "get it". I've got plenty of hispanic friends that consider "hispanic" to be a race...rightly or wrongly.

    My own brother in law and his entire freaking family will tell you openly that their "race" is hispanic despite the fact that they've been in Texas since it was Mexico, despite the fact that NOT ONE of them speaks Spanish (nor do their parents), and despite the fact that their "lifestyle" and "culture", which Hendrix claims is another qualifier, is NO different then mine. They are basing their "hispanicness" on the fact that their skin is brown and their last name is Garza. I realize now after looking into it that the word "hispanic" refers to people that speak Spanish, but that is not neccessarily what most Americans think of when they hear the word.

    with that said, I'm ready to put this thing to bed. this is exhausting...I need a drink
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    We were talking in ENGLISH, about an ARGENTINEAN called Manu, who plays in a city called SAN ANTONIO, but it's located in an english talking nation, we have argies calling themselves HENDRIX, SMEAGOL...

    You get it.

    Enjoy diversity.

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    argies calling themselves HENDRIX, SMEAGOL...
    I call myself Smeagol, otherwise known as Gollum, but I should have called myself Fatty Lumpkin. I always liked the way that hobbit's named sounds.

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    nope. sorry, you're giving false information here. I've spent lots of times in Europe and have a ton of relatives in Britain. They - especially the British- almost always refer to "America" instead of the other terms. They always say things like "We are not America's poodle" and "America wants to be police of the world". Take out "America" in those sentences and plug in "U.S." See? Doesn't work. In the middle east, they ONLY use the term "America".... I mean, seriously, when is the last time you heard "death to the United States!" or "the U.S.A. is the Great Satan" ? No, what you hear is..."Death to AMERICA"..."AMERICA is Great Satan".

    I also lived in Panama back in the 80's...they too say "America" and "Americans" .... as in "America f*cked this canal up!" and "I can't wait til you m*thr f*ck*ng Americans get the f*ck out of here!" and "America need to mind their own f*cking business".

    See? So don't tell me the rest of the world doesn't say "America".

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    Um...my knowledge of Argentina history, it's rises and it's declines, goes something like this...

    You guys have a military.

    You love Soccer.

    I think that sums up the totality of your problems right there. I am not kidding on the Soccer thing...every country that claims Soccer as it's favorite sport suffers from political instability.

    Why is America the most powerful nation on Earth?

    Because we hate ing Soccer more than any other nation on Earth.


    But I disgress...

    Your basic contributions to the world are:
    A female character in an opera and bad movie.
    Manu(the best one)
    Maradonna(a weak contribution at best)
    That boxer that put up a great fight(for a white guy) against Muhammad Ali in the 70's...
    And that reporter with the great ass that interviewed Manu his rookie year(the second best one).

    I think that about sums it up...

    Oh.....IMO...
    you guys inherited the worst aspects of the political shcitzophrenia of Spain and Italy and you guys are the last people on earth that need to be critiquing governments of other countries....

    Oh and while ya'll may be able to claim pride in your lack of racial divisions compared to dumb ass ole America(near as I can tell because you are just about all white)...Your political disputes make the Palestinian Israeli conflict look like a beach party. There are all kind of divides with humans...if they aren't racial they'll be something else...
    One question, are you just trying to insult Argentinians because you resent what Hendrix said? 'cause if thats the case, you're not much better than he is. You claim he's a biggot, we'll by what you have posted in this thread, you're ten times the biggot he is. Just letting you know. I'm done getting mad with you, because clearly you have no clue about the Argentinian culture, and are just blurting idiotic insults as a result of your patriotic feelings getting hurt.

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    wow, how have I missed this one?

    Obviously, whott is trying to provocate people, just chill out, and let him spit his , some of you already took the bait, well, it's ok...hehe.

    Some things I'd like to say:

    - Baseball is popular in those countries already listed in this post. But clearly, it does not represent the majority of Latin America, even considering the Hispanics living in the U.S.

    - On the other hand, (whether you do or don't consider Brazil and Spain), soccer is the most popular sport from Mexico all the way south to Argentina and Chile. There are a few countries that are the exceptions (Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Cuba), but in overall soccer caughts the eye of the Latin Americans. If you consider Brazil, Spain, Italy and Portugal, the difference is even bigger.

    - Soccer sucks? Yeah, right...whatever.

    - I still don't get what all the fuss is about...it's just whottt trying to be as ignorant as he can, and some of you have taken the bait.

    - I'd rather give the world a cocaine addicted mad man as our main contribution than Dubya....oh wait, nevermind...

    - I think the main difference here, and what has sprakled all this fuzz, is that in the US the people that speaks Spanish or has Spanish speaking descendants, is called hipanic, while in most of the Latin American countries we call ourselves Latinos. I can live with both, since my 4 granparents are from:
    -Poland
    -Lithuania
    -Basque Country
    -Catalonia
    ...and I was born in Argentina. So call me by my name and that's it!

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    nope. sorry, you're giving false information here. I've spent lots of times in Europe and have a ton of relatives in Britain. They - especially the British- almost always refer to "America" instead of the other terms. They always say things like "We are not America's poodle" and "America wants to be police of the world". Take out "America" in those sentences and plug in "U.S." See? Doesn't work. In the middle east, they ONLY use the term "America".... I mean, seriously, when is the last time you heard "death to the United States!" or "the U.S.A. is the Great Satan" ? No, what you hear is..."Death to AMERICA"..."AMERICA is Great Satan".

    I also lived in Panama back in the 80's...they too say "America" and "Americans" .... as in "America f*cked this canal up!" and "I can't wait til you m*thr f*ck*ng Americans get the f*ck out of here!" and "America need to mind their own f*cking business".

    See? So don't tell me the rest of the world doesn't say "America".
    Well, that's not quite so. Some people call it America, others don't. It may have some bad implications (referring to one nation with the name of a whole continent), but I couldn't care less. I'm just trying to make people understand each other.

    And ESPN deportes programming is marketed towards Latin America...not most of the USA. It's in Spanish...the journalists and broadcasters many are from Latin American Countries...not America. Most people born in the USA can speak English too...so even the people in America they are targeting are probably mostly from other countries.

    If it's a ty list fine...but I don't like the comments that it's because America is racist and ignorant. I think those comments are ignorant.
    That's not quite so. There is one major ESPN channel in Spanish, which is a pretty good mix of all the sports that caught the Latin American eye. The major air time is given to soccer, followed by the NBA, MLB, Motorsport, Golf, and so on. It is a channel that has very different ratings according to what is on the air. When it broadcasted the Spurs Western Conference Finals it had very good cable ratings in Argentina. When it broadcasts baseball, the ratings in South America are very low, but they steady the ship with the ratings from the Caribbean and Central America.

    ESPN Deportes is targeted towards the "Hispanics" in living in North America, and Central America, they also have a second channel called ESPN 2, which broadcasts for Central America and the Caribbean only. The major sports are Soccer, Baseball, Motorsport, Boxing, and in a lesser degree, NBA and NFL.

    South America has its own broadcasting networks, ESPN + and ESPN Brasil. The focus is placed on Soccer, and then Basketball, Tennis, Rugby, Motor Sport, Volleyball, Hockey, etc.

    The only sport that can be said that is popular in most of Latin America is soccer. The second place is where it gets complicated. Since this is something impossible to measure, it could be Baseball, or Basketball, or Motor Sport, or Boxing, or Tennis, or Volleyball....

    I was born in Argentina. My dad was born in what is now Croacia. My mom's family has been in Argentina for four generations but originally came Portugal. I speak Spanish as my first language, English as my second language. My Portuguese is conversational.

    I think I'm white, but when I'm asked, I'm not sure if I should say Hispanic or Caucasian.

    Can somebody help me? What am I?
    Well, you used to be a hobbitt, but the ring has corrupted you...now you are a filthy creature!

    Um...my knowledge of Argentina history, it's rises and it's declines, goes something like this...

    You guys have a military.

    You love Soccer.

    I think that sums up the totality of your problems right there. I am not kidding on the Soccer thing...every country that claims Soccer as it's favorite sport suffers from political instability.

    Why is America the most powerful nation on Earth?

    Because we hate ing Soccer more than any other nation on Earth.


    But I disgress...

    Your basic contributions to the world are:
    A female character in an opera and bad movie.
    Manu(the best one)
    Maradonna(a weak contribution at best)
    That boxer that put up a great fight(for a white guy) against Muhammad Ali in the 70's...
    And that reporter with the great ass that interviewed Manu his rookie year(the second best one).

    I think that about sums it up...

    Oh.....IMO...
    you guys inherited the worst aspects of the political shcitzophrenia of Spain and Italy and you guys are the last people on earth that need to be critiquing governments of other countries....

    Oh and while ya'll may be able to claim pride in your lack of racial divisions compared to dumb ass ole America(near as I can tell because you are just about all white)...Your political disputes make the Palestinian Israeli conflict look like a beach party. There are all kind of divides with humans...if they aren't racial they'll be something else...
    Lol, I love Politically incorrect humour, great stuff!

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    and I was born in Argentina. So call me by my name and that's it!
    Which is?

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    Nicolás or Nico.

    And yours, mr. smeagol?

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    I was born in Argentina. My dad was born in what is now Croacia. My mom's family has been in Argentina for four generations but originally came Portugal. I speak Spanish as my first language, English as my second language. My Portuguese is conversational.

    I think I'm white, but when I'm asked, I'm not sure if I should say Hispanic or Caucasian.

    Can somebody help me? What am I?
    Well, well, for sure you are Argentine and since Manu is LATINO you also are

    I was born in ARG, lived in BRA speak spanish, portuguesse is my second language trying to learn english and my fiance says I am a HOT LATINO

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    You think it's impressive that 5 Argentinians play in the NBA?

    This is a list of Dominicans that play or have played major league baseball:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/D-R-_born.shtml
    For a country of less than 9M people to have almost 400 players who have played in the major leagues is pretty amazing (not to mention that 5 of the 9 American league starters in the All-Star game were from the Dominican Republic). Comparing it to the population, that'd be like if Argentina had 1,800 players.

    The only country that could even compare to that in the NBA is Slovenia. Slovenia has only two million people but has five NBA players and two players that were just drafted. If all seven play in the NBA next year, Argentina would need 140 players in the NBA to match that.

    Argentina is a phenom in its own right (soccer and basketball gold medals in the same year), but there are other countries out there too that are dominating the sporting world.

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    For a country of less than 9M people to have almost 400 players who have played in the major leagues is pretty amazing. Comparing it to the population, that'd be like if Argentina had 1,800 players.

    The only country that could even compare to that in the NBA is Slovenia. Slovenia has only two million people but has five NBA players and two players that were just drafted. If all seven play in the NBA next year, Argentina would need 140 players in the NBA to match that.

    Argentina is a phenom in its own right (soccer and basketball gold medals in the same year), but there are other countries out there too that are dominating the sporting world.
    Ahem, don't forget about tennis, we have 5 players between the top 20 in the world rakings. I mean how could you forget about it? Are you trying to get yelled by every Argentinian? Huh?






































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    Argentina is a phenom in its own right (soccer and basketball gold medals in the same year), but there are other countries out there too that are dominating the sporting world.
    yeah,

    BRA in futbol (soccer)
    NZ in rugby
    GER in Formula 1
    Russia in chess

    Did I miss anyone!??

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    yeah,

    BRA in futbol (soccer)
    NZ in rugby
    GER in Formula 1
    Russia in chess

    Did I miss anyone!??
    The Helvetic Republic of Roger Federer in Tennis.

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    Argentina is a phenom in its own right (soccer and basketball gold medals in the same year), but there are other countries out there too that are dominating the sporting world.
    C'mon timvp, you know damn well we are the only game in town!

    Please drop your mumbo jumbo BS (including meaningless stats of players to population ratios), the Argies are here to stay.

    We are taking over SA, we are taking over your (and Kori's) board

    We are the real deal. If you don't believe me, go ask Sparky

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    Though often used interchangeably in American English, Hispanic and Latino are not identical terms, and in certain contexts the choice between them can be significant. Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain," has the broader reference, potentially encompassing all Spanish-speaking peoples in both hemispheres and emphasizing the common denominator of language among communities that sometimes have little else in common. Latinowhich in Spanish means "Latin" but which as an English word is probably a shortening of the Spanish word latinoamericanorefers more exclusively to persons or communities of Latin American origin. Of the two, only Hispanic can be used in referring to Spain and its history and culture; a native of Spain residing in the United States is a Hispanic, not a Latino, and one cannot subs ute Latino in the phrase the Hispanic influence on native Mexican cultures without garbling the meaning. In practice, however, this distinction is of little significance when referring to residents of the United States, most of whom are of Latin American origin and can theoretically be called by either word.·A more important distinction concerns the sociopolitical rift that has opened between Latino and Hispanic in American usage. For a certain segment of the Spanish-speaking population, Latino is a term of ethnic pride and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive. According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino, with its Spanish sound and its ability to show the feminine form Latina when used of women. Furthermore, Hispanic the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agenciesis said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community. While these views are strongly held by some, they are by no means universal, and the division in usage seems as related to geography as it is to politics, with Latino widely preferred in California and Hispanic the more usual term in Florida and Texas. Even in these regions, however, usage is often mixed, and it is not uncommon to find both terms used by the same writer or speaker.

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    yeah,

    BRA in futbol (soccer)
    NZ in rugby
    GER in Formula 1
    Russia in chess

    Did I miss anyone!??
    Well, you forgot some of the less known sports such as:

    Canadians in curling
    Germans in luge
    Jamaicans in bobsled (I saw a movie about this topic )
    Argentines in roller blade hockey (Hockey sobre patines)
    Chinese in ping pong
    Pakistanese in squash
    Last edited by smeagol; 08-03-2005 at 06:55 AM.

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    yeah,

    BRA in futbol (soccer)
    NZ in rugby
    GER in Formula 1
    Russia in chess

    Did I miss anyone!??
    Yeah, Filipino Boxers kick ass.

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    Do the Ellises ever sleep?

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    Yeah, Filipino Boxers kick ass.
    I saw a tape of it, pretty amazing ... like Bowen over Wallyc.

    I also forget about Anita Kournikova, Maria Sharapova

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