shaq undermines,duncan?

[callo1]

after his career is over Shaq will be so fat that they'd be forced to use WideScreen cameras.

hahahhahaha !!

The picture of Shaq and Sir Charles together on the Inside the NBA set on TNT just entered my head...cya Kenny and Ernie...no room left on the set for you guys

[orhe]

i have to agree w/ shaq on this one... if im going to pick one guy NOW, amare would be that guy. he's a physical monster who seems to have his mind just right... w/ a good amount of passion of the game and great understanding. id love to see how he develops into a more all around player this season especially defensively.

[GrandeDavid]

shaq undermines duncan,

Hey guys this my first post on forum, anyway did anyone see shaq on stephen A.'s quite freakingly? when he was asked by stephen ass about duncan, shaq almost ignorantly said "yeah I'd say he's a great player" and went on to say, aside from him, if a team to pick a player to start to franchise with, it would be Amare. and he said He's only good big man left in league, he also said that not coming Miami is Finley loss,not his.
I don't think shaq gives enough respect to duncan, and thinks Amare is best big man after. I think it's funny, what do you guys think.

Shaq is funny, quotable and has a good heart, but he's also a pussy of a poor sport, sore loser. What a stupid thing to say. Sore loser! Amare ain't . Where's Amare's hardware? He DOES have a bronze medal, ha ha ha, but seriously, the dude is young, has hops and can dunk. But he has limited range and plays no D.

Remind Shaq never to go into scouting or coaching. Good grief.

[GrandeDavid]

See, Amare is Shaq's boy and likes to party w/him. Duncan could care less about hanging out or partying w/Snack. Same w/SAS.

In other words, WGAF what Shaq thinks

EXACTLY!!! SAS has no clue about championship basketball. He's just there to provide soundbytes on individual players, appealing to the less-educated fans. Who gives a . He couldn't even park in the Spurs practice facility parking lot, much less understand their greatness.

[LilMissSPURfect]

stephen ass is just that!

[batman2883]

I like Stephen A. Smith he's a funny guy

[Banks91]

I Can Understand Somewhat Wanting To Take A Younger Player Over An Older Player, But Ask Yourself This. Say Duncan Has 5 More Years Of This Level Of Playing, And He Gets U 2 Championships, While Amare Gives U About 10 Years, Continues Contention But No Championship, Wat Would U Do?? Cuz Thats Wat This Basically Comes Down To

[Rummpd]

The " with Shaq" who is the most over-rated big man of all time period (that is for those fools who put him up there with Kareem, Wilt, Russell). Has he ever won a championship without Kobe bailing him out or Jackson, where are his rebounding and block les? Shaq is no better than Robinson or Hakeem and in their primes I would rather have either one for their consistency.

Whose also to say Amare is not the next Shawn Kemp? = please any comparisons with Duncan at this time are inane!

One great block on a hurt player does not an all around player make, wake me when he starts to rebound, pass and consistently block shots!

Dwight Howard may be better than Amare all around when all said and done and a guy named Yao may be in the mix!

[MI21]

There is just so much more to Basketball than putting the ball in the hoop, and while Amare could very well be the best player in the league at doing that, there is so much else to learn. The gap between him and Tim still exists and always will until Amare does something other than score.

[ambchang]

Hakeem was a great shot-blocker, not a great man-to-man defender. But he did get better with age.

How is it laughable to compare or predict a great player or a great players numbers to other great players or their numbers? The point never changed, you can insert any vast number of names for those situations. Replace with scrubs if you want. I was simply saying you can have an older player for a shorter time or a younger player for a longer time. That's it, that's the intent.

What you read into it is on you.

Replace with any name. Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton... Stephon Marbury or Tony Parker... Rasheed Wallace or Tyson Chandler?

It doesn't matter the player. It was the situation I was comparing.

If that was your intent, then fine, but you can't fault me for the misleading comparisons, with my A:B :: C example, that's logic way of thinking. And to answer your question, I would rather take a great player for a shorter time. There aren't many sure things in sport.

Hakeem has always been a good defender, going back to the Phi Slamma Jamma days, and he wasn't just a good defender. Even though awards could be misleading, but he WAS all defense 2nd team in his rookie year, all-defense first in his third year, fourth and fifth year. The guy was a monster. And he was in an age where he had to deal with another great defensive center in Mark Eaton (don't laugh, the guy not only can block shots, he was a fantastic rebounder, and was decently mobile for a guy his size).

Fine, lock-out shortened season... he was still far from unstoppable as he had no real moves, except for the power slam and didn't have the jumper Amare has now. He was a great athlete who got the most from his ability, but limited skill.

The ironic thing is that Amare is exactly that at the moment (except the jumper part). Shawn Kemp actually have more low post moves than Amare, a nice little spin, a little baby hook, but he still relied solely on his physical attributes, and when that was gone, so did his career. You cannot say that Amare is not over reliant on his physical attribute at this moment. He did develop a decent jumper, but there is really no improvement in his foot work in the post or his defense in the 3 years he played.

I added barring injury, there's no reason to discredit Amare as he's a great player on track for even better things.

And I stated previous examples like Spencer Haywood, Shawn Kemp and Bob McAdoo. We have different assumptions, and we come to different conclusions. Don't get me wrong, I think Amare is an unbelievable physical element, and I believe that he has to potential to be a great player, but there is still much work to do.

[JMarkJohns]

Hakeem has always been a good defender, going back to the Phi Slamma Jamma days, and he wasn't just a good defender. Even though awards could be misleading, but he WAS all defense 2nd team in his rookie year, all-defense first in his third year, fourth and fifth year. The guy was a monster. And he was in an age where he had to deal with another great defensive center in Mark Eaton (don't laugh, the guy not only can block shots, he was a fantastic rebounder, and was decently mobile for a guy his size).

Look, I understand what you're saying, but Hakeem was an outstanding shot-blocker and a decent man-up defender. Early in his career, however, he went for far more blocks than needed, which meant leaving his man far more times than needed, which meant far more buckets allowed than needed.

He became better, but at the beginning, he was mostly a shot-blocker.

The ironic thing is that Amare is exactly that at the moment (except the jumper part). Shawn Kemp actually have more low post moves than Amare, a nice little spin, a little baby hook, but he still relied solely on his physical attributes, and when that was gone, so did his career. You cannot say that Amare is not over reliant on his physical attribute at this moment. He did develop a decent jumper, but there is really no improvement in his foot work in the post or his defense in the 3 years he played.

Again, I've watched close to 90% of the Suns games. I study film. I know for a fact that what you are saying may have been true his rookie season and maybe the beginning of his second year, but as of now, Amare can go off the dribble (both right and left, but mostly right), he's got baseline spins, up-n-unders, he's got a baby hook, he's got his power spin and he's a got a jumper out to 18 feet from any angle.


[/quote]And I stated previous examples like Spencer Haywood, Shawn Kemp and Bob McAdoo. We have different assumptions, and we come to different conclusions. Don't get me wrong, I think Amare is an unbelievable physical element, and I believe that he has to potential to be a great player, but there is still much work to do.[/QUOTE]

I won't deny that, which is why I said it will take three more years for Amare to pass Duncan in being the better player and why I said Duncan could very well be the better player for as long as four more years.

Of course no one knows about injuries and insanities, but this wasn't a reality-type question. If no injuries occur and natural progress is made, then I'd take Amare for as long as his career lasts over Duncan for as long as his career lasts from this point forward.

[samikeyp]

If Amare handles his fame like Duncan...he is destined for great things...if he handles it like Shawn Kemp...he is destined for the same fate.

[Raikonen]

I'll agree to an extent, but 23-year olds rarely play like this kid does. I think he tries to play the best defense he can, without risking silly fouls. He does the Suns no good if he's only on the court for 30 minutes a game like Yao. He blocks the shots he can and muscles up when in position. I think he's too smart to make something when it's not there as the Suns have not had the luxery of a deep frontcourt ever in his time as a Sun. Let's see how he works this year, now that there's some actual depth.

For the next 10 years, Amare or LeBron or Wade?

Since 90% of the NBA Champions have been built around a dominant big man, Amare looks like the winner to me.

Amare won't be the NBA's dominant big man when that time comes.



It will be Ian Mahinmi.