OT: How much calories can you burn playing baseball?

[Splits]

210 teams are registered to qualify for the 2018 WC but it isn't popular

[Will Hunting]

That's why those players aren't very good.

Sandoval is on the DL. CC was in rehab, and below replacement level. Prince is a replacement level player. Colon has been below replacement level for the past 4 seasons. Other than a few outliers, the average size of an MLB player is 6'2" 190, so I don't get the "fatball" designation. It's like calling soccer "midgetball" because a few players are 5'3".

I would also argue that while being obese is never an advantage in baseball, being "thick" like David Ortiz or Miguel Cabrera is an advantage for a power hitter.

Also, people, primarily soccer fans, do think the NFL is a "joke" because there are specific positions where being obese is an advantage. I think their argument is in' stupid, but I don't fetishize shredded men

are you seriously going to deny that CC Sabathia didn't pitch at an elite level during his prime when he was 100+ lbs overweight?

[140]

tension, as if that is unique to fatbol in this debate when you're constantly berating tie scores and shootouts. The only tension I see is in their waistbands. And its gameplay is "unique" for a reason.

[midnightpulp]

tension, as if that is unique to fatbol in this debate when you're constantly berating tie scores and shootouts. The only tension I see is in their waistbands. And its gameplay is "unique" for a reason.

There's not much tension when a soccer team is down 0-1 and the best the other team can do is tie.

In baseball, you could be down 3, 4, 5 runs in the bottom of the 9th with one strike left, and you're still not safe until that last out is recorded. No like running out the clock, parking the bus, playing prevent defense.

And shootouts are in' the height of stupidity.

Let's play 120 minutes and then decide everything on a minigame!

You know if that sport didn't have "Euro appeal," you would hate it. I could only imagine your disgust of it if it was invented by Americans

[DAF86]

You're still coming up with your predictions based on your silly idea that there's 5 Bartolo Colons on every team.

Average height/weight of an MLB player: 6'2" 190lb.

Greatest decathlete the world has ever seen (Aston Eaton): 6'1" 185.

Fun fact: You need muscle mass for explosiveness. So your idea of the "fatties" dragging down the top baseball athletes can easily be applied to the midgets and twigs dragging down the soccer squad. Messi or Valbuena running the hurdles or doing well in the high and long jump.

Another fun fact: MLB teams want position players running a 6.9 second 60 yard dash. We know Ronaldo runs 82 feet in 3.61 seconds. Do the math.

Quit thinking MLB rosters have a bunch of Colons and Sandovals on the team.

The KC Royals would absolutely murder the most athletic soccer team on the planet. You got 4 guys on that team that would rate in the top ten fastest soccer player list.

Are you trying to imply that baseball players have more muscles on their legs than soccer players?

Congrats on getting me into another mind numbing discussion that only you think it's arguable, tbh.

And FYI, some of the most basic training methods in soccer include hurdle running.

[midnightpulp]

are you seriously going to deny that CC Sabathia didn't pitch at an elite level during his prime when he was 100+ lbs overweight?

Doesn't look 100lb overweight to me here



But again, how does fat=unathletic/unskilled?

[midnightpulp]

Are you trying to imply that baseball players have more muscles on their legs than soccer players?

Congrats on getting me into another mind numbing discussion that only you think it's arguable, tbh.

And FYI, some of the most basic training methods in soccer include hurdle running.

I don't know. We can only quantify this with performance, and the faster sprinters and higher leapers are in baseball, as I've proven to you many times over, but you just keep handwaving away while posting pictures of Bartolo Colon.

[DAF86]

I don't know. We can only quantify this with performance, and the faster sprinters and higher leapers are in baseball, as I've proven to you many times over, but you just keep handwaving away while posting pictures of Bartolo Colon.

Since you are able to come up with all this meassurements. Can you come up with some of thos numbers but of an entire MLB roster, not just the elite athletes?

[Splits]

There's not much tension when a soccer team is down 0-1 and the best the other team can do is tie.

In baseball, you could be down 3, 4, 5 runs in the bottom of the 9th with one strike left, and you're still not safe until that last out is recorded. No like running out the clock, parking the bus, playing prevent defense.

In the Euro Cup there were 20 goals in 51 matches scored after the 85th minute. but park the bus is unstoppable

If a fatbol game is going into the 9th inning and a team has a 3+ run lead, 80% of the fans are in their cars by the time some no named scrub finishes taking his warm up pitches and the other 20% are either family or fell asleep. Tension!

[midnightpulp]

Since you are able to come up with all this meassurements. Can you come up with some of thos numbers but of an entire MLB roster, not just the elite athletes?

Statcast is a relatively new feature, but I can try.

KC Royals:

Sprint speed

Eric Hosmer (6'4", 225ln): 21.4 mph

Lorenzo Cain (6'2", 205): 21 mph

Jarrod Dyson (5'9", 160): 21.5 mph

Alcides Escobar: (6'1", 185): 20.0 mph

Paulo Orlando (6'2", 210): I don't have stats on him, but the Royals bring him as a speedy baserunner, and I would estimate his speed in the 20-21mph range.

Alex Gordon (6'1", 205): 18.7 mph

Vert is harder to estimate, because they don't track it yet, but I know Cain, Escobar, and Gordon have hops.

Sports Science actually measure Cain's in game vert:

Sports Science measured Lorenzo Cain’s vertical leap at 39 inches,

[midnightpulp]

In the Euro Cup there were 20 goals in 51 matches scored after the 85th minute. but park the bus is unstoppable

If a fatbol game is going into the 9th inning and a team has a 3+ run lead, 80% of the fans are in their cars by the time some no named scrub finishes taking his warm up pitches and the other 20% are either family or fell asleep. Tension!

They are?



5 run 9th inning comeback, in Minnesota during in' June, and the stadium looked more than 20% filled to me.

That's a COMEBACK.

In soccer, it's a miracle when they comeback from 0-1

Take the most common final score, for example. In 188,060 league games,2 the final tally was most often 1-0, proof, for Curley, that soccer was as low-scoring as he suspected. This result has occurred in more than 30,000 games — 16 percent of the total. Other common scores: 2-1 (about 27,000 games), 2-0 (about 22,000) and 1-1 (about 22,000).

In 85,694 games — dangerously close to half the total — at least one of the teams forgot to score at all. That led Curley to an answer for one of his questions: “Soccer is a bit dull,” he told me.

But they're jogging around

[poeticism707]

MLB pitchers dont average 9 innigns a game bro. Stop kidding yourself.

Plus I jack off and lose 1000 calories too..Hands get sore doesnt mean masturbating is a real sport.

[midnightpulp]

Look at this garbage.



And they're chanting like maniacs for that bull .

"They're doing it to preserve the draw, though."

And that's exactly why the sport's design is stuck in the stone ages. Basketball at least has the shot clock and/or intentional fouling to somewhat guard against cheap clock killing tactics. The NFL has the turnover on down/play clock feature (although I do think kneeling down to run out the clock is gotry). Hockey's rink size is too small to allow for it. And in baseball, each teams gets 27 outs.

Soccer, such an "enlightening" sport.

[Clipper Nation]

Floptrot is the one "sport" where being conservative and playing not to lose is not only praised, but actually works most of the time. In contrast, when football coaches start calling predictable run-run-pass-punt drives in the fourth quarter of a relatively close game, fans look on in horror and brace themselves for the meltdown that's about to happen.

Another reason why floptrot sucks hind compared to actual sports.

[Splits]

They are?



5 run 9th inning comeback, in Minnesota during in' June, and the stadium looked more than 20% filled to me.

That's a COMEBACK.

In soccer, it's a miracle when they comeback from 0-1

In the Euro Cup (held every 4 years) that just ended, the winning goal in the tourney final was scored in extra time.

When you play 162 games a year by 30 teams, it is simple to cherry pick, as you have done. I bet you weren't watching that game live. The last "world" series game 7 comeback was 15 years ago and I bet there are no more than 5 in over 100 year history.

[midnightpulp]

In the Euro Cup (held every 4 years) that just ended, the winning goal in the tourney final was scored in extra time.

When you play 162 games a year by 30 teams, it is simple to cherry pick, as you have done. I bet you weren't watching that game live. The last "world" series game 7 comeback was 15 years ago and I bet there are no more than 5 in over 100 year history.

There was no comeback in that ty Euro game. It was a predictable 0-0 snorefest for nearly 2 hours until a goal was scored.

Why are you cherry picking only World Series Games and game 7s?

Down to their last out twice and facing a 2 run deficit each time

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...01110270.shtml

Game 7 comeback (Cards were down 0-2 after the first, an insurmountable lead in floptrot ):

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...01110280.shtml

Game 7 comeback

http://www.baseball-reference.com/po.../2002_WS.shtml

Another

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...00111040.shtml

Another

http://www.baseball-reference.com/po.../1997_WS.shtml

That's 4 WS game 7 comebacks in the past 19 seasons.

That's not counting all the game 5 and 7 comebacks in the LDS and LCS rounds.

Now go look at your floptrot tournament, and you will find only 3 instances of a comeback. And there were 84 matches

Should we compare baseball's comeback ratio to that?

[midnightpulp]

Floptrot is the one "sport" where being conservative and playing not to lose is not only praised, but actually works most of the time. In contrast, when football coaches start calling predictable run-run-pass-punt drives in the fourth quarter of a relatively close game, fans look on in horror and brace themselves for the meltdown that's about to happen.

Another reason why floptrot sucks hind compared to actual sports.

Yep. And it's a worry.

Above all, however, the falling number of goals should worry soccer players and fans. It looks like in several decades, soccer could be in danger of a “draw death,” in which a substantial number of games end with no score and a single goal is usually enough to decide the match.

Right now, the draw rate in the EPL is at 30%. That's too much by well-designed American sports standards, but they run around, so...

Reasons soccer is a relevant sport:

- British Imperialism (surprised Splits loves it so much considering how much blood the Brits spilled "sharing" their game).

- Cheap to play.

[Splits]

Why are you cherry picking only World Series Games and game 7s?

Game 7s are the only time either team has a chance to go home champs, the epitome of intrigue and suspense. Football guarantees it every tourney. Fatball you're lucky to get it once every 5 years.

Look Mid, I'm the only one in this debate who has been a fan immersed in both sports. I am even predisposed to fatbal bias because I grew up a fanatic. You're more than qualified to try to explain why bisbal doesn't suck, but you're not qualified to try and explain why football does. It took me a good year living overseas to "get it". Get back to me when you've given it a chance.

[Xevious]

How much calories can you burn playing baseball?

How many English can you speak?

[midnightpulp]

Game 7s are the only time either team has a chance to go home champs, the epitome of intrigue and suspense. Football guarantees it every tourney. Fatball you're lucky to get it once every 5 years.

Look Mid, I'm the only one in this debate who has been a fan immersed in both sports. I am even predisposed to fatbal bias because I grew up a fanatic. You're more than qualified to try to explain why bisbal doesn't suck, but you're not qualified to try and explain why football does. It took me a good year living overseas to "get it". Get back to me when you've given it a chance.

The World Series isn't the only relevant playoff round. Do you only watch the Spurs in the Finals?

And your same argument about game 7s can be levied at basketball, since the game 7 occurrence ratio is about the same.

Since 1997, there's been 4 WS Game 7s.

Since 1997, there's been 4 NBA Finals Game 7s.

I also disagree on the "one game win or go home" idea. It's why I find the NFL playoffs the least compelling. There's no back-and-forth like you get with a game 7 series.

I was somewhat of a soccer fan growing up. Bought FIFA every year. Had a moderate understanding of the "tactics". Watched the World Cup, from qualifying to knockouts. And contrary to your belief, I don't hate the game. Here's why I lost interest:

- Low comeback factor. I like the drama of punch-counterpunch-punch-punch-counterpunch-knockout.

In soccer, you get one knockout punch most of time. And you rarely get epic collapses (team blowing more than a 2 or 3 goal lead)

- Fouls in the box are disproportionate.

A lot of the times, the player didn't even have a goal scoring chance, so to award a team a 90% chance of scoring in a game where goals are at such a high premium makes no sense.

- Penalty shootouts.

Silly way to decide a game after 120 minutes of intense play.

- Diving

Enough said.

- Lack of controlled possession.

3 passes here. Kicked away. Pass. Kicked away. 2 passes. Kicked away. Rinse repeat.

I don't hate it. Just largely indifferent to it now.

What did you "get" over in Europe? And how does liking soccer translate into a hatred of American sports aside from basketball?

[Mark Celibate]

Some baseball games may last long as though. Even watching such games can be a tiring course sometimes tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Out of curiosity, I wanted to know Prince Fielder's, who is a favorite target of the soccer crew, top speed recorded.

18.2 mph



For context, the 10th fastest top speed recorded in last season's EPL was 18.7mph

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-ze...rld-is-5731457

Baseball athletes are truly a wonder.