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    A nice article. From a guy that didn't think voter fraud was a problem to begin with, concluding voter fraud is not a problem. Also being a member of the unnamed party that benefits the most from voter fraud. Color me shocked he couldn't find any significant cases.
    Color me shocked that you can't either.

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    You're Polish, aren't you? If you don't realize that a Trump presidency would be terrible for Poland then you haven't been paying attention.
    I am, and I don`t care much about US presidency, won`t change anything to me, but this is hot topic so wanted to look into it. I am not intrested on US visa at all, not considering on moving there. Also not buying that Russia will invade us. We`ve got some stupid assholes inthe goverment and that is much bigger problem.

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    Color me shocked that you can't either.
    You and that guy aren't trying very hard. In 2002-2012 for example there were 18 pleas in court in texas alone. Those were just the ones brought to court. Like pretending the guys and gals brought to court for cheating on their taxes are the only instances of tax cheating going on in the country. I didn't show you any more because you are not someone that can be convinced with any amount of evidence.

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    As in a team built around the foreigners he hates? clueless MOFO

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    You and that guy aren't trying very hard. In 2002-2012 for example there were 18 pleas in court in texas alone. Those were just the ones brought to court. Like pretending the guys and gals brought to court for cheating on their taxes are the only instances of tax cheating going on in the country. I didn't show you any more because you are not someone that can be convinced with any amount of evidence.
    Voter suppression has been a hallmark of the Republican Party for as long as I can remember. High voter turnout doesn't serve them well traditionally. That's why they have been trying to make it more more difficult for people like the elderly and poor who don't have up-to-date I.D. and licenses. The other hallmark in their game-plan is called gerrymandering in which they try to manipulate the district boundaries to change the outcome of the vote. This was recently quite a big deal in Texas with Tom DeLay at the forefront. Luckily, he got indicted and put out to pasture. Saying Clinton needs 'voter fraud' to beat Trump is a joke. He is beating himself quite handily and needs no help.

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    Trump, nobody asked that clown about his opinion of the Spurs.

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    Pussy grabbing should be added to the x games next year. It will give trump something to do to take his mind of his train wreck of a campaign and run for president.

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    My biggest objection to a Trump presidency is that it would turn power over to the far right wing house of representatives. A branch that is only so far to the right because of gerrymandering of congressional districts. You'd have a far right minority writing laws that a President Trump would then sign into law.
    Trump is not a far-right guy. He's just bombastic and doesn't give a rat's you know what about anything. Being mega-rich your whole life tends to create that in a person.

    Now in the extremely unlikely case he wins on Nov 8th, you're suggesting the House is going to push a far-right agenda?

    And on that same point - what would far-right bills consist of? Outlawing abortion would be one...but the Court would defeat that. Setting up a strong border...absolutely unattainable - building a wall that length is fiscally unrealistic.

    I just think the Trump demonizers are hyperbolic in their fear of this guy. He's just a actor/entertainer that capitalized on the anger towards Barack. (much like Barack did after Bush).

    ***Full disclosure - I lean right on most issues (except abortion/attacking Muslim nations)***

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    I think he means putting team (country) first, being mindful of salary cap/luxury tax (being fiscally conservative), winning (winning), reaching your potential (make America great again).

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    Trump is not a far-right guy. He's just bombastic and doesn't give a rat's you know what about anything. Being mega-rich your whole life tends to create that in a person.

    Now in the extremely unlikely case he wins on Nov 8th, you're suggesting the House is going to push a far-right agenda?

    And on that same point - what would far-right bills consist of? Outlawing abortion would be one...but the Court would defeat that. Setting up a strong border...absolutely unattainable - building a wall that length is fiscally unrealistic.

    I just think the Trump demonizers are hyperbolic in their fear of this guy. He's just a actor/entertainer that capitalized on the anger towards Barack. (much like Barack did after Bush).

    ***Full disclosure - I lean right on most issues (except abortion/attacking Muslim nations)***
    You're right Trump isn't far right, but the house absolutely is. Goodbye ACA, they'll neuter the EPA, goodbye funding for solar, o massive tax cuts for the rich, Ryan can finally kill of Medicare, lots of road blocks for abortion, and so on, it would be a tea party free for all with them controlling every branch of government with a Trump presidency. And Trump is a lazy bas who would hand off control the same way Bush did with Cheney, he already admitted as much when offering Kasich control of foreign and domestic policy for him to join the ticket as VP.

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    Voter suppression has been a hallmark of the Republican Party for as long as I can remember. High voter turnout doesn't serve them well traditionally. That's why they have been trying to make it more more difficult for people like the elderly and poor who don't have up-to-date I.D. and licenses. The other hallmark in their game-plan is called gerrymandering in which they try to manipulate the district boundaries to change the outcome of the vote. This was recently quite a big deal in Texas with Tom DeLay at the forefront. Luckily, he got indicted and put out to pasture. Saying Clinton needs 'voter fraud' to beat Trump is a joke. He is beating himself quite handily and needs no help.
    THIS.

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    You're right Trump isn't far right, but the house absolutely is. Goodbye ACA, they'll neuter the EPA, goodbye funding for solar, o massive tax cuts for the rich, Ryan can finally kill of Medicare, lots of road blocks for abortion, and so on, it would be a tea party free for all with them controlling every branch of government with a Trump presidency. And Trump is a lazy bas who would hand off control the same way Bush did with Cheney, he already admitted as much when offering Kasich control of foreign and domestic policy for him to join the ticket as VP.
    THIS too.

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    Trump hats land San Antonio police in trouble



    In this Aug. 27, 2016 file photo, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks in Des Moines, Iowa. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert, File)

    By The Washington Post
    on October 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM

    More than a dozen officers from the San Antonio Police Department will face punishment for wearing Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" hats in a video tweeted out Tuesday by the Republican nominee, the city's police chief said.
    The video, posted at 5:35 p.m., shows Trump smiling and posing for pictures on the tarmac at San Antonio International Airport with a group of uniformed motorcycle officers, at least 14 of them wearing the campaign's signature red baseball caps.
    Trump's tweet calls on people to register to vote at the Republican National Committee's vote.gop website, and the video ends with bold white text reading, "We will make America safe and great again, together!"
    The officers' apparent show of support drew swift criticism from city and police officials, who said it violated department policy.
    San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said the officers should not have worn the hats and "will be disciplined appropriately."
    "I expect them to know better than to give the appearance of endorsing a candidate while on duty and in uniform," McManus said in a statement, "regardless of the political campaign or the candidate."
    Mayor Ivy Taylor said in a tweet that she was disappointed in the officers' "lack of judgment."
    "Police must be above politics and serve everyone equally," she said. "Everything they do should send that message and today's actions did not."
    The 25-second video opens with Trump standing outside his plane, flanked by officers in the red campaign hats, as one officer takes a picture with his iPhone. The candidate says, "Thank you, fellas," and shakes some officers' hands before turning to leave. "Thank you, sir," multiple officers say as others give him a thumbs-up.
    As Trump boards his plane, the video shows a group of at least 14 officers wearing the hats walk across the tarmac to their motorcycles.
    The officers were from a department motorcycle unit that escorts politicians and other dignitaries when they come to town, the San Antonio Express-News reported. On Tuesday, they helped transport Trump's motorcade to and from the airport while the candidate was in town for a private fundraiser.
    Mike e, president of the San Antonio Police Officers Association, said the department prohibits political displays while officers are on-duty. He told the Express-News he was surprised that they decided to wear the hats, but expects the punishment to be light.
    "It seems kind of benign," e said. "They'd probably get a written reprimand or counseling to not do that sort of thing on duty."
    San Antonio policy bars public employees from engaging in political activity on the job.
    Throughout the campaign, Trump has boasted about his support from the law enforcement community, telling a North Carolina police union in August that the law enforcement vote for him "could be unanimous" in November. "I'm on your side a thousand percent," he said in the speech.
    The Fraternal Order of Police, which represents 325,000 law enforcement officers, endorsed Trump for president, saying he "understands and supports our priorities, and our members believe he will make America safe again."
    The Trump campaign found itself in hot water late last month, when it released an advertisement showing Trump talking with on-duty Phoenix police officers. The video shows a brief clip of Trump standing on an airport tarmac with a group of uniformed officers, one of them shaking his hand. City Attorney Brad Holm sent the campaign a cease-and-desist letter saying the ad violated federal and state law.
    "The officers depicted in the ad were in uniform precisely because they were on duty performing work for Phoenix at the time," Holm wrote. "In this context, the ad unmistakably and wrongfully suggests that Phoenix and the officers support or endorse Mr. Trump's campaign."
    (c) 2016, The Washington Post · Derek Hawkins

    sapd is a joke. its full of suspected white supremacists and cocaine snorting mexicans

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    Trump is not a far-right guy. He's just bombastic and doesn't give a rat's you know what about anything. Being mega-rich your whole life tends to create that in a person.

    Now in the extremely unlikely case he wins on Nov 8th, you're suggesting the House is going to push a far-right agenda?

    And on that same point - what would far-right bills consist of? Outlawing abortion would be one...but the Court would defeat that. Setting up a strong border...absolutely unattainable - building a wall that length is fiscally unrealistic.

    I just think the Trump demonizers are hyperbolic in their fear of this guy. He's just a actor/entertainer that capitalized on the anger towards Barack. (much like Barack did after Bush).

    ***Full disclosure - I lean right on most issues (except abortion/attacking Muslim nations)***
    I think you're far underestimating the race-baiting tactics he's used and the far-right nutjob deplorables that have used Trump's rhetoric as ammunition and a license to spread hate and act on it. THAT is what scares me about this guy.

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    You're right Trump isn't far right, but the house absolutely is. Goodbye ACA, they'll neuter the EPA, goodbye funding for solar, o massive tax cuts for the rich, Ryan can finally kill of Medicare, lots of road blocks for abortion, and so on, it would be a tea party free for all with them controlling every branch of government with a Trump presidency. And Trump is a lazy bas who would hand off control the same way Bush did with Cheney, he already admitted as much when offering Kasich control of foreign and domestic policy for him to join the ticket as VP.
    Voter suppression and requiring an ID to vote are not equivalent. If you believe they are, I agree we cannot agree. I am not trying to persuade anyone to vote for Trump, here. Just stating that requiring someone to show that they are a citizen of the district they are voting in is a basic requirement that is not punitive, yet provides a minimal barrier to fraud. Making it easier to vote may cause the downfall of civilization, but I am all for it. If they allow people to eventually vote from their facebook pages, I will reluctantly agree with it (and quickly move to a bunker) I do not support voter suppression. I work in a predominately minority area. The get out the vote effort is very strong, but they seem far more interested in getting certain groups out to vote. Republicans are guilty. But, voter suppression takes all forms. When you attemt to target a get out the vote campaign toward one group and away from another because on group votes predominately one way, this becomes voter suppression, as well. Again, surely we need to make sure we are not suppressing anyone by requiring an ID, but it is not an unreasonable request given the alternative: anyone from anywhere can vote in any election.

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    Voter suppression and requiring an ID to vote are not equivalent. If you believe they are, I agree we cannot agree. I am not trying to persuade anyone to vote for Trump, here. Just stating that requiring someone to show that they are a citizen of the district they are voting in is a basic requirement that is not punitive, yet provides a minimal barrier to fraud. Making it easier to vote may cause the downfall of civilization, but I am all for it. If they allow people to eventually vote from their facebook pages, I will reluctantly agree with it (and quickly move to a bunker) I do not support voter suppression. I work in a predominately minority area. The get out the vote effort is very strong, but they seem far more interested in getting certain groups out to vote. Republicans are guilty. But, voter suppression takes all forms. When you attemt to target a get out the vote campaign toward one group and away from another because on group votes predominately one way, this becomes voter suppression, as well. Again, surely we need to make sure we are not suppressing anyone by requiring an ID, but it is not an unreasonable request given the alternative: anyone from anywhere can vote in any election.
    It's remarkable then, that legislatures in states that are the voter ID battlegrounds are tailoring their laws in ways -- based on objective data -- that have tailored their laws in ways that disproportionately infringe the rights of voters of color -- with "surgical precision," as the Fourth Circuit recently put it in striking down North Carolina's law. But that must just be a coincidence, I guess.

    In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”

    The do ents acceptable for proving voters’ iden y in North Carolina were the ones disproportionately held by whites, such as driver’s licenses, U.S. passports, and veteran and military IDs, and the ones that were left out were the ones often held by poor minority voters, such as student IDs, government employee IDs and public assistance IDs. The Texas voter ID law was designed the same way: There, officials accepted concealed-weapon licenses but not student or state employee IDs. The Texas legislature was repeatedly advised of the likely effect on minority voters but rebuffed nearly all amendments that would have eased its harsh impact.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.ba59e2532d1f

    But the official reasons of protecting against voter fraud and good-governance simply don’t hold up given the history, timing, and legislative processes involved in each bill. North Carolina’s law was perhaps the most blatantly racist, and it was blasted as such by the [Fourth Circuit]. The fact that it was passed immediately after Shelby County effectively ended federal oversight of potentially discriminatory election laws was a brazen, winking challenge to common sense. But court do ents show that the timing was the least brazen bit of North Carolina’s maneuvering. Legislators requested data on racial voting patterns—including extensive data on early voting—just before creating reforms that displayed “surgical precision” in their ability to restrict early voting and establish voter ID. The result was not just the kind of racially disparate impact that often accompanies many winking-and-knowing statute-skirting policies, but a racism that was undeniable in both outcome and intent.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...racism/493937/
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    When you attemt to target a get out the vote campaign toward one group and away from another because on group votes predominately one way, this becomes voter suppression, as well.
    That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard this election.

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    That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard this election.
    ...and that's saying something.

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    The most fascinating aspect of Donald J Trump is the disaffection he's causing with the conservative/Republican establishment.

    Those folks are willing to fall on their sword simply because they feel a Clinton admin would serve them better than Trump.
    Listening to Rushbaugh/Hannity these days begins to paint the consternation the right has for Trump.

    Long story short story this election is a precursor to a great schism in the Right.

    We could be looking at a permanent left-of-center/ Liberal America politically for the foreseeable future.
    And historians will look back and point to the Apprentice Chair as the initiator!

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    That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard this election.
    I could think of a couple of things that ducks has said that are worse, but we'll keep the criteria based around people who aren't low functioning.

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    i love how republicans said how there were no excuses, etc. for trump's words... and they still endorse him

    paul ryan said he won't defend him anymore... still endorses him even after trump called him weak and ineffective on twitter.

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    Voter suppression and requiring an ID to vote are not equivalent. If you believe they are, I agree we cannot agree. I am not trying to persuade anyone to vote for Trump, here. Just stating that requiring someone to show that they are a citizen of the district they are voting in is a basic requirement that is not punitive, yet provides a minimal barrier to fraud. Making it easier to vote may cause the downfall of civilization, but I am all for it. If they allow people to eventually vote from their facebook pages, I will reluctantly agree with it (and quickly move to a bunker) I do not support voter suppression. I work in a predominately minority area. The get out the vote effort is very strong, but they seem far more interested in getting certain groups out to vote. Republicans are guilty. But, voter suppression takes all forms. When you attemt to target a get out the vote campaign toward one group and away from another because on group votes predominately one way, this becomes voter suppression, as well. Again, surely we need to make sure we are not suppressing anyone by requiring an ID, but it is not an unreasonable request given the alternative: anyone from anywhere can vote in any election.
    What we think is besides the point. The federal courts in NC, WI, TX, and elsewhere have been uniform in rejecting it for the reason you say is not valid. The court accepted evidence to the contrary of what you claim here and ruled your preferred legislation uncons utional.

    There has been a crusade by people that want to believe that voter impersonation is rife who harass voters for the last several cycles. Nobody has found more than 31 cases in the past 10 years despite the hypervigilance. It's very easy to look at the ID and registered voter rolls and show the demographics affected.

    This ship already sailed.

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    i love how republicans said how there were no excuses, etc. for trump's words... and they still endorse him

    paul ryan said he won't defend him anymore... still endorses him even after trump called him weak and ineffective on twitter.
    Priebus has been a trainwreck.

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    Trump to head to court in December for allegedly tying up and raping a 13-year-old girl: report
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trum...d-girl-report/

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